Portal UWL problems

Dart, Jocelyn jocelyn.dart at sap.com
Wed Jun 9 20:19:35 EDT 2010 

Hi Oleg,
The UWL does a double call when extracting work items from the backend - it extracts the basic details first, then goes back a   second time for additional info including custom attributes.
You can minimize the call back effect by marking your attribute source tag as cacheValidity="final" rather than session.
Regards,
Jocelyn

From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Oleg Mayorov
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 11:13 PM
To: sap-wug at mit.edu
Subject: Portal UWL problems

Hi all,

I have some problems with my workflow scenario in UWL.
I have a dilog step ( user decision type), wich i need to display in UWL. I configured xml file,
and everithing ok, the step is visible in uwl, and i launch my webdynpro application when select task.

1)When i launch WDapplication, it's opening in new window ( or new browser tab), then i approve or reject workitem
   from WDapplication, and close tab or window, but completed task still in UWL, and if somebody try to complete it again, the error occurs (and it's normally).
   My question is - can i refresh uwl programmatically from WDynpro, when i approve or reject task inside of it?

2) In xml i configured CustomAttribute for item type, i get it from WF container:
<CustomAttributes>
                <CustomAttributeSource id="WEBFLOW_CONTAINER" objectIdHolder="externalId" objectType="WebflowContainer" cacheValidity="session">
                    <Attribute name="ORGUNIT_TEXT" type="string" displayName="ORGUNIT_TEXT"/>
                 </CustomAttributeSource>
            </CustomAttributes>
Then I declare my own view in xml, and add this attribute there:

 <DisplayAttributes>
 <DisplayAttribute name="ORGUNIT_TEXT" type="string" width="" sortable="yes" format="default" hAlign="CENTER" vAlign="TOP" maxTextWidth="0" headerVisible="yes">
          <Descriptions default="">
            <ShortDescriptions>
              <Description Language="en" Description="From"/>
              <Description Language="ru" Description="&#1047;&#1072;&#1082;&#1072;&#1079;&#1095;&#1080;&#1082;"/>
            </ShortDescriptions>

 then i set this sub-view is default for uwl iview.  its working, but when i receive this task, the
custom attribute in UWL is empty, and it fills only when i refresh tasklist. is it normal, or i have miss something?

Thanks in advance!


Regards,
Mayorov Oleg.

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> Hi All,
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> I have tested the correlation via wait events of Workflow in SAP. But I need
> to know the performance side of correlation and how does it internally work.
>
>
> The workflow I am implementing is of high volume(10,000 per week). My only
> question is by implementing correlation will affect performance of the
> system.
>
> Please let know your answers & suggestions so that I can give a quite a deep
> thinking before implementing the same in this scenario without adverse
> effect.
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> Thanks in advance.
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>> From: Sandy <maorriyan.santoso at gmail.com<mailto:maorriyan.santoso at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: BPM approvals
>> To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu>>
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>> Hi Jocelyn.
>> Hopefully this thread is not outdated yet.
>>
>> 1. Does this mean BRM is the only solution to determine work item
>> recipient?
>> Does this mean agent determination in BPM has less flexibility and less SAP
>> template on determining agent i.e. SAP Workflow has built in to determine
>> initiator's manager?
>>
>> 2. If BRM is the only option to determine agent, does BRM can be used in
>> escalation management where factory calendar need to be take into account?
>>
>> 3. If there is no direct connection with organisation structure/ enterprise
>> structure, does this mean BPM can not utilise HR evaluation path?
>>
>> 4. Can you elaborate forwarding/ substitution a little harder for
>> long-running scenarios?
>>
>> 5. Does BPM has configuration such Task Profile where we can put some
>> restriction on forward and and substitution process?
>>
>> My mindset still full with SAP Workflow concept, still trying to understand
>> what we can sell on BPM
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Dart, Jocelyn <jocelyn.dart at sap.com<mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >  Hi Karl,
>> >
>> > At the moment these are the major approaches for agent assignment in BPM:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > a)      Use UME/Portal user groups/roles/user ids directly (actually
>> > groups are really useful for identifying teams of people)
>> >
>> > b)      Calculate the agents using a BRM rule (e.g. using a decision
>> > table) and return as a (list of ) UME/Portal user group/role/user id(s)
>> >
>> > c)       Call a web service to calculate the agents and return as a (list
>> > of) UME/Portal user group/role/user id(s)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There are mapping functions pre-provided to e.g. convert a regular unique
>> > user id to a UME/Portal user id equivalent.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There?s no direction connection to the backend org chart? not a big deal
>> > for finding the original agents, but means you need to think about
>> > forwarding/substitution a little harder for long-running scenarios.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope that helps.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Jocelyn
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu> [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu>] *On
>> > Behalf Of *Karl Nietz
>> > *Sent:* Friday, 7 May 2010 4:49 PM
>> >
>> > *To:* sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu>
>> > *Subject:* BPM approvals
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Further to Jocelyn's response below, is there any documentation or a blog
>> > that explains how BPM actually supplants workflow for simple processess
>> such
>> > as PO approval, as indicated?  I've checked the ES simple sample
>> > applications and the purchase requisition approval example seems to gloss
>> > over the issue, or at least appears to be using an underlying workflow
>> > template for steps such as agent assignment.  Or is this the whole thrust
>> of
>> > the BPM/workflow relationship?  A chap called Kenichi has a 1hour podcast
>> on
>> > SDN but the screens are unreadable.  Anything to get me started would be
>> > helpful.
>> >
>> >  Karl
>> >
>> > ----- Forwarded by Karl Nietz/AUS/CSC on 06/05/2010 01:49 PM -----
>> >
>> > From:
>> >
>> > "Dart, Jocelyn" <jocelyn.dart at sap.com<mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com>>
>> >
>> > To:
>> >
>> > "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu>>
>> >
>> > Date:
>> >
>> > 06/05/2010 01:18 PM
>> >
>> > Subject:
>> >
>> > RE: This Group
>> >
>> >
>> >  ------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Mike,
>> > Just adding the SAP employee perspective... and by the way I'm Product
>> Lead
>> > for NW BPM in ANZ Field Services this year.
>> >
>> > I agree currently NW BPM and Workflow should be considered as
>> > complementary.  Mainly due to existing business content and solution
>> > maturity issues.   Also yes Workflow will not be going away anytime soon.
>> > It is however possible to use NW BPM instead of Workflow for a new site
>> > that does not use workflow at all for scenarios that we would previously
>> > have done in workflow (e.g. purchase order approval) - provided current
>> > limitations/restrictions are understood and this is happening at some
>> sites.
>> >
>> >
>> > A lot of the concepts and issues around process handling are the same.
>> > We currently have a BPM forum in SDN, so the question for this forum is:
>> as
>> > BPM usage grows do you want to start covering that area as well or just
>> > stick with traditional workflow?
>> >
>> > I can't give any official details on future releases yet but I can
>> confirm
>> > generally that we are expecting some better integration options between
>> > workflow and NW BPM when we get to 7.3 on both the backend and NW BPM
>> > platforms most likely around business event management and calling of
>> > ABAP-based applications.   We also expect some sort of import for 7.3
>> > although I don't expect we will be translating from workflow to BPM or
>> vice
>> > versa - more likely import of a model from business process modelling
>> > applications.  I don't expect workflow to be further developed - although
>> I
>> > agree BPMN is easier to work with and enables better cross communication
>> > between business and IT.
>> >
>> > If anyone has any specific questions I'm happy to provide what
>> information
>> > I can.  There are trial versions available on SDN if you want to have a
>> play
>> > with NW BPM, or try out the pre-built Simple Sample Applications on the
>> > ESWorkplace site.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jocelyn
>> >
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> From: "Dart, Jocelyn" <jocelyn.dart at sap.com<mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com>>
> Subject: RE: BPM approvals
> To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu>>
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> Hi Sandy,
>
>
> 1.        No there are 3 options as I listed below.  A web service or Enterprise Service (delivered or custom) is the most powerful particularly if you need to access the organizational structure sitting in a backend system.
>
> 2.       Again the factory calendar sits in the backend system so this would need an Enterprise Service.  Or if you just want to knock out weekends there are Java utilities that can help with that that could be called use BRM or using an EJB module.
>
> 3.       Use an enterprise service.
>
> 4.       Not sure what you are looking for here. Forwarding is called "Delegate" in BPM and there is a button for this in the task header when you launch a BPM task.
>
> 5.       Task Profile was never a very effective concept in SAP Business Workflow as it tends to be counter productive as soon as you want to create substitutes for combinations of tasks.
>
>
> Regards,
> Jocelyn
>
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu> [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu>] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:26 AM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: Re: BPM approvals
>
> Hi Jocelyn.
> Hopefully this thread is not outdated yet.
>
> 1. Does this mean BRM is the only solution to determine work item recipient? Does this mean agent determination in BPM has less flexibility and less SAP template on determining agent i.e. SAP Workflow has built in to determine initiator's manager?
>
> 2. If BRM is the only option to determine agent, does BRM can be used in escalation management where factory calendar need to be take into account?
>
> 3. If there is no direct connection with organisation structure/ enterprise structure, does this mean BPM can not utilise HR evaluation path?
>
> 4. Can you elaborate forwarding/ substitution a little harder for long-running scenarios?
>
> 5. Does BPM has configuration such Task Profile where we can put some restriction on forward and and substitution process?
>
> My mindset still full with SAP Workflow concept, still trying to understand what we can sell on BPM
>
> Cheers.
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Dart, Jocelyn <jocelyn.dart at sap.com<mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com><mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com<mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com>>> wrote:
> Hi Karl,
> At the moment these are the major approaches for agent assignment in BPM:
>
>
> a)      Use UME/Portal user groups/roles/user ids directly (actually groups are really useful for identifying teams of people)
>
> b)      Calculate the agents using a BRM rule (e.g. using a decision table) and return as a (list of ) UME/Portal user group/role/user id(s)
>
> c)       Call a web service to calculate the agents and return as a (list of) UME/Portal user group/role/user id(s)
>
>
> There are mapping functions pre-provided to e.g. convert a regular unique user id to a UME/Portal user id equivalent.
>
> There's no direction connection to the backend org chart... not a big deal for finding the original agents, but means you need to think about forwarding/substitution a little harder for long-running scenarios.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Regards,
> Jocelyn
>
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu><mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu>> [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu><mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu>>] On Behalf Of Karl Nietz
> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 4:49 PM
>
> To: sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu><mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu>>
> Subject: BPM approvals
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Further to Jocelyn's response below, is there any documentation or a blog that explains how BPM actually supplants workflow for simple processess such as PO approval, as indicated?  I've checked the ES simple sample applications and the purchase requisition approval example seems to gloss over the issue, or at least appears to be using an underlying workflow template for steps such as agent assignment.  Or is this the whole thrust of the BPM/workflow relationship?  A chap called Kenichi has a 1hour podcast on SDN but the screens are unreadable.  Anything to get me started would be helpful.
>
>  Karl
>
> ----- Forwarded by Karl Nietz/AUS/CSC on 06/05/2010 01:49 PM -----
> From:
>
> "Dart, Jocelyn" <jocelyn.dart at sap.com<mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com><mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com<mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com>>>
>
> To:
>
> "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu><mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu<mailto:sap-wug at mit.edu>>>
>
> Date:
>
> 06/05/2010 01:18 PM
>
> Subject:
>
> RE: This Group
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> Just adding the SAP employee perspective... and by the way I'm Product Lead for NW BPM in ANZ Field Services this year.
>
> I agree currently NW BPM and Workflow should be considered as complementary.  Mainly due to existing business content and solution maturity issues.   Also yes Workflow will not be going away anytime soon.
> It is however possible to use NW BPM instead of Workflow for a new site that does not use workflow at all for scenarios that we would previously have done in workflow (e.g. purchase order approval) - provided current limitations/restrictions are understood and this is happening at some sites.
>
> A lot of the concepts and issues around process handling are the same.
> We currently have a BPM forum in SDN, so the question for this forum is: as BPM usage grows do you want to start covering that area as well or just stick with traditional workflow?
>
> I can't give any official details on future releases yet but I can confirm generally that we are expecting some better integration options between workflow and NW BPM when we get to 7.3 on both the backend and NW BPM platforms most likely around business event management and calling of ABAP-based applications.   We also expect some sort of import for 7.3 although I don't expect we will be translating from workflow to BPM or vice versa - more likely import of a model from business process modelling applications.  I don't expect workflow to be further developed - although I agree BPMN is easier to work with and enables better cross communication between business and IT.
>
> If anyone has any specific questions I'm happy to provide what information I can.  There are trial versions available on SDN if you want to have a play with NW BPM, or try out the pre-built Simple Sample Applications on the ESWorkplace site.
>
> Regards,
> Jocelyn
>
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