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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Oleg, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The UWL does a double call when extracting work items from the
backend – it extracts the basic details first, then goes back a second time
for additional info including custom attributes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You can minimize the call back effect by marking your attribute source
tag as cacheValidity=”final” rather than session.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jocelyn <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu
[mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Oleg Mayorov<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 9 June 2010 11:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> sap-wug@mit.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Portal UWL problems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have some problems with my workflow scenario in UWL.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have a dilog step ( user decision type), wich i need to
display in UWL. I configured xml file,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>and everithing ok, the step is visible in uwl, and i launch
my webdynpro application when select task.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1)When i launch WDapplication, it's opening in new window (
or new browser tab), then i approve or reject workitem<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> from WDapplication, and close tab or window,
but completed task still in UWL, and if somebody try to complete it again, the
error occurs (and it's normally).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> My question is - can i refresh uwl
programmatically from WDynpro, when i approve or reject task inside of it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2) In xml i configured CustomAttribute for item type, i get
it from WF container:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<CustomAttributeSource id="WEBFLOW_CONTAINER"
objectIdHolder="externalId" objectType="WebflowContainer"
cacheValidity="session"><br>
<Attribute name="ORGUNIT_TEXT" type="string"
displayName="ORGUNIT_TEXT"/><br>
</CustomAttributeSource><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Then I declare my own view in xml, and add this attribute
there:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<DisplayAttribute name="ORGUNIT_TEXT"
type="string" width="" sortable="yes"
format="default" hAlign="CENTER" vAlign="TOP"
maxTextWidth="0" headerVisible="yes"><br>
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default=""><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal> then i set this sub-view is default for uwl
iview. its working, but when i receive this task, the <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>custom attribute in UWL is empty, and it fills only when i
refresh tasklist. is it normal, or i have miss something?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Mayorov Oleg. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2010/6/9 <<a href="mailto:sap-wug-request@mit.edu">sap-wug-request@mit.edu</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> 1. Correlation in workflow (Guru Dutt)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> 2. RE: BPM approvals (Dart, Jocelyn)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:04:46 +0530<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> From: Guru Dutt <<a
href="mailto:gurudutt.sap@gmail.com">gurudutt.sap@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Subject: Correlation in workflow<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> To: <a href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> I have tested the correlation via wait events of
Workflow in SAP. But I need<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> to know the performance side of correlation and how
does it internally work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> The workflow I am implementing is of high volume(10,000
per week). My only<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> question is by implementing correlation will affect
performance of the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Please let know your answers & suggestions so that
I can give a quite a deep<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> thinking before implementing the same in this scenario
without adverse<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> effect.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Guru Dutt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, <<a
href="mailto:sap-wug-request@mit.edu">sap-wug-request@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Today's Topics:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> 1. Re: BPM approvals (Sandy)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Message: 1<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:26:18 +1000<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> From: Sandy <<a
href="mailto:maorriyan.santoso@gmail.com">maorriyan.santoso@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Subject: Re: BPM approvals<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <<a
href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> <<a
href="mailto:AANLkTikl3ZbiWjFU-K_qcVO7PMl4HZGD_Y4obwLzgai3@mail.gmail.com">AANLkTikl3ZbiWjFU-K_qcVO7PMl4HZGD_Y4obwLzgai3@mail.gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Hi Jocelyn.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Hopefully this thread is not outdated yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> 1. Does this mean BRM is the only solution to
determine work item<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> recipient?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Does this mean agent determination in BPM has less
flexibility and less SAP<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> template on determining agent i.e. SAP Workflow has
built in to determine<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> initiator's manager?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> 2. If BRM is the only option to determine agent,
does BRM can be used in<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> escalation management where factory calendar need
to be take into account?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> 3. If there is no direct connection with
organisation structure/ enterprise<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> structure, does this mean BPM can not utilise HR
evaluation path?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> 4. Can you elaborate forwarding/ substitution a
little harder for<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> long-running scenarios?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> 5. Does BPM has configuration such Task Profile
where we can put some<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> restriction on forward and and substitution
process?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> My mindset still full with SAP Workflow concept,
still trying to understand<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> what we can sell on BPM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> Cheers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Dart, Jocelyn
<<a href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> >wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Hi Karl,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> > At the moment these are the major approaches
for agent assignment in BPM:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> > a) Use UME/Portal user
groups/roles/user ids directly (actually<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> > groups are really useful for identifying teams
of people)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> > b) Calculate the agents
using a BRM rule (e.g. using a decision<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>> > table) and return as a (list of ) UME/Portal
user group/role/user id(s)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > c) Call a web service to
calculate the agents and return as a (list<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > of) UME/Portal user group/role/user id(s)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > There are mapping functions pre-provided to
e.g. convert a regular unique<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > user id to a UME/Portal user id equivalent.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > There?s no direction connection to the backend
org chart? not a big deal<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > for finding the original agents, but means you
need to think about<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > forwarding/substitution a little harder for
long-running scenarios.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Hope that helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > *From:* <a
href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>] *On<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Behalf Of *Karl Nietz<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > *Sent:* Friday, 7 May 2010 4:49 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > *To:* <a href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > *Subject:* BPM approvals<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Further to Jocelyn's response below, is there
any documentation or a blog<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > that explains how BPM actually supplants
workflow for simple processess<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> such<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > as PO approval, as indicated? I've
checked the ES simple sample<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > applications and the purchase requisition
approval example seems to gloss<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > over the issue, or at least appears to be
using an underlying workflow<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > template for steps such as agent assignment.
Or is this the whole thrust<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> of<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > the BPM/workflow relationship? A chap
called Kenichi has a 1hour podcast<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> on<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > SDN but the screens are unreadable.
Anything to get me started would be<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Karl<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > ----- Forwarded by Karl Nietz/AUS/CSC on
06/05/2010 01:49 PM -----<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > From:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > "Dart, Jocelyn" <<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > To:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <<a
href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Date:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > 06/05/2010 01:18 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Subject:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > RE: This Group<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > ------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Just adding the SAP employee perspective...
and by the way I'm Product<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> Lead<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > for NW BPM in ANZ Field Services this year.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > I agree currently NW BPM and Workflow should
be considered as<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > complementary. Mainly due to existing
business content and solution<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > maturity issues. Also yes Workflow will
not be going away anytime soon.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > It is however possible to use NW BPM instead
of Workflow for a new site<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > that does not use workflow at all for
scenarios that we would previously<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > have done in workflow (e.g. purchase order
approval) - provided current<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > limitations/restrictions are understood and
this is happening at some<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> sites.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > A lot of the concepts and issues around
process handling are the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > We currently have a BPM forum in SDN, so the
question for this forum is:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> as<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > BPM usage grows do you want to start covering
that area as well or just<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > stick with traditional workflow?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > I can't give any official details on future
releases yet but I can<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> confirm<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > generally that we are expecting some better
integration options between<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > workflow and NW BPM when we get to 7.3 on both
the backend and NW BPM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > platforms most likely around business event
management and calling of<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > ABAP-based applications. We also expect
some sort of import for 7.3<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > although I don't expect we will be translating
from workflow to BPM or<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> vice<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > versa - more likely import of a model from
business process modelling<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > applications. I don't expect workflow to
be further developed - although<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> I<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > agree BPMN is easier to work with and enables
better cross communication<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > between business and IT.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > If anyone has any specific questions I'm happy
to provide what<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> information<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > I can. There are trial versions
available on SDN if you want to have a<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> play<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > with NW BPM, or try out the pre-built Simple
Sample Applications on the<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > ESWorkplace site.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> > Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> ><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>>> >
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</div>
<div>
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</div>
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</div>
<div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:41:16 +0200<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> From: "Dart, Jocelyn" <<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Subject: RE: BPM approvals<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <<a
href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>>
<8C507B5E0BA5114E933C3C6E2E9729E00665C9B9DE@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Hi Sandy,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> 1. No there are 3 options as
I listed below. A web service or Enterprise Service (delivered or custom)
is the most powerful particularly if you need to access the organizational
structure sitting in a backend system.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> 2. Again the factory calendar sits
in the backend system so this would need an Enterprise Service. Or if you
just want to knock out weekends there are Java utilities that can help with
that that could be called use BRM or using an EJB module.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> 3. Use an enterprise service.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> 4. Not sure what you are looking
for here. Forwarding is called "Delegate" in BPM and there is a
button for this in the task header when you launch a BPM task.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> 5. Task Profile was never a very
effective concept in SAP Business Workflow as it tends to be counter productive
as soon as you want to create substitutes for combinations of tasks.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> From: <a href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>]
On Behalf Of Sandy<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:26 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Subject: Re: BPM approvals<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Hi Jocelyn.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Hopefully this thread is not outdated yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> 1. Does this mean BRM is the only solution to determine
work item recipient? Does this mean agent determination in BPM has less
flexibility and less SAP template on determining agent i.e. SAP Workflow has
built in to determine initiator's manager?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> 2. If BRM is the only option to determine agent, does
BRM can be used in escalation management where factory calendar need to be take
into account?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> 3. If there is no direct connection with organisation
structure/ enterprise structure, does this mean BPM can not utilise HR
evaluation path?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> 4. Can you elaborate forwarding/ substitution a little
harder for long-running scenarios?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> 5. Does BPM has configuration such Task Profile where
we can put some restriction on forward and and substitution process?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> My mindset still full with SAP Workflow concept, still
trying to understand what we can sell on BPM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Cheers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Dart, Jocelyn <<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Hi Karl,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> At the moment these are the major approaches for agent
assignment in BPM:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> a) Use UME/Portal user
groups/roles/user ids directly (actually groups are really useful for
identifying teams of people)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> b) Calculate the agents using a BRM
rule (e.g. using a decision table) and return as a (list of ) UME/Portal user
group/role/user id(s)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> c) Call a web service to calculate
the agents and return as a (list of) UME/Portal user group/role/user id(s)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> There are mapping functions pre-provided to e.g.
convert a regular unique user id to a UME/Portal user id equivalent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> There's no direction connection to the backend org
chart... not a big deal for finding the original agents, but means you need to
think about forwarding/substitution a little harder for long-running scenarios.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Hope that helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> From: <a href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>>] On
Behalf Of Karl Nietz<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2010 4:49 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> To: <a href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Subject: BPM approvals<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Further to Jocelyn's response below, is there any
documentation or a blog that explains how BPM actually supplants workflow for
simple processess such as PO approval, as indicated? I've checked the ES
simple sample applications and the purchase requisition approval example seems
to gloss over the issue, or at least appears to be using an underlying workflow
template for steps such as agent assignment. Or is this the whole thrust
of the BPM/workflow relationship? A chap called Kenichi has a 1hour
podcast on SDN but the screens are unreadable. Anything to get me started
would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Karl<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> ----- Forwarded by Karl Nietz/AUS/CSC on 06/05/2010
01:49 PM -----<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> From:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> "Dart, Jocelyn" <<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> To:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <<a
href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a><mailto:<a
href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</a>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Date:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> 06/05/2010 01:18 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Subject:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> RE: This Group<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> ________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> Just adding the SAP employee perspective... and by the
way I'm Product Lead for NW BPM in ANZ Field Services this year.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> I agree currently NW BPM and Workflow should be
considered as complementary. Mainly due to existing business content and
solution maturity issues. Also yes Workflow will not be going away
anytime soon.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> It is however possible to use NW BPM instead of
Workflow for a new site that does not use workflow at all for scenarios that we
would previously have done in workflow (e.g. purchase order approval) -
provided current limitations/restrictions are understood and this is happening
at some sites.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> A lot of the concepts and issues around process
handling are the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> We currently have a BPM forum in SDN, so the question
for this forum is: as BPM usage grows do you want to start covering that area
as well or just stick with traditional workflow?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> I can't give any official details on future releases
yet but I can confirm generally that we are expecting some better integration
options between workflow and NW BPM when we get to 7.3 on both the backend and
NW BPM platforms most likely around business event management and calling of
ABAP-based applications. We also expect some sort of import for 7.3
although I don't expect we will be translating from workflow to BPM or vice
versa - more likely import of a model from business process modelling
applications. I don't expect workflow to be further developed - although
I agree BPMN is easier to work with and enables better cross communication
between business and IT.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> If anyone has any specific questions I'm happy to
provide what information I can. There are trial versions available on SDN
if you want to have a play with NW BPM, or try out the pre-built Simple Sample
Applications on the ESWorkplace site.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></p>
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