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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Sandy, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> No there are 3 options as I listed below. A web service or
Enterprise Service (delivered or custom) is the most powerful particularly if
you need to access the organizational structure sitting in a backend system. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Again the factory calendar sits in the backend system so this
would need an Enterprise Service. Or if you just want to knock out weekends
there are Java utilities that can help with that that could be called use BRM
or using an EJB module. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Use an enterprise service. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Not sure what you are looking for here. Forwarding is called “Delegate”
in BPM and there is a button for this in the task header when you launch a BPM
task. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Task Profile was never a very effective concept in SAP Business
Workflow as it tends to be counter productive as soon as you want to create
substitutes for combinations of tasks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jocelyn <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu
[mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sandy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 8 June 2010 10:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: BPM approvals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Jocelyn.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hopefully this thread is not outdated yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1. Does this mean BRM is the only solution to determine work
item recipient? Does this mean agent determination in BPM has less flexibility
and less SAP template on determining agent i.e. SAP Workflow has built in to
determine initiator's manager? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2. If BRM is the only option to determine agent, does BRM
can be used in escalation management where factory calendar need to be take
into account? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3. If there is no direct connection with organisation
structure/ enterprise structure, does this mean BPM can not utilise HR
evaluation path?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>4. Can you elaborate forwarding/ substitution a little
harder for long-running scenarios? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>5. Does BPM has configuration such Task Profile where we can
put some restriction on forward and and substitution process?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My mindset still full with SAP Workflow concept, still
trying to understand what we can sell on BPM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Cheers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Dart, Jocelyn <<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Karl, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>At the moment these are the major
approaches for agent assignment in BPM:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>a)</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Use UME/Portal user groups/roles/user
ids directly (actually groups are really useful for identifying teams of
people)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>b)</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Calculate the agents using a BRM rule
(e.g. using a decision table) and return as a (list of ) UME/Portal user
group/role/user id(s)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>c)</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Call a web service to calculate the
agents and return as a (list of) UME/Portal user group/role/user id(s) </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There are mapping functions pre-provided
to e.g. convert a regular unique user id to a UME/Portal user id equivalent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There’s no direction connection to the
backend org chart… not a big deal for finding the original agents, but means
you need to think about forwarding/substitution a little harder for
long-running scenarios. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hope that helps. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jocelyn </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu"
target="_blank">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu" target="_blank">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karl Nietz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 7 May 2010 4:49 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu" target="_blank">sap-wug@mit.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Subject:</b> BPM approvals<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi,</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Further to Jocelyn's response below, is there
any documentation or a blog that explains how BPM actually supplants workflow
for simple processess such as PO approval, as indicated? I've checked the
ES simple sample applications and the purchase requisition approval example
seems to gloss over the issue, or at least appears to be using an underlying
workflow template for steps such as agent assignment. Or is this the
whole thrust of the BPM/workflow relationship? A chap called Kenichi has
a 1hour podcast on SDN but the screens are unreadable. Anything to get me
started would be helpful.</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Karl <br>
</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:purple'><br>
----- Forwarded by Karl Nietz/AUS/CSC on 06/05/2010 01:49 PM -----</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt'>"SAP Workflow Users' Group" <</span><a
href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>sap-wug@mit.edu</span></a><span
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<tt>Hi Mike, </tt><br>
Just adding the SAP employee perspective... and by the way I'm Product Lead for
NW BPM in ANZ Field Services this year.<br>
<br>
I agree currently NW BPM and Workflow should be considered as complementary.
Mainly due to existing business content and solution maturity issues.
Also yes Workflow will not be going away anytime soon. <br>
It is however possible to use NW BPM instead of Workflow for a new site that
does not use workflow at all for scenarios that we would previously have done
in workflow (e.g. purchase order approval) - provided current
limitations/restrictions are understood and this is happening at some sites. <br>
<br>
A lot of the concepts and issues around process handling are the same.<br>
We currently have a BPM forum in SDN, so the question for this forum is: as BPM
usage grows do you want to start covering that area as well or just stick with
traditional workflow?<br>
<br>
I can't give any official details on future releases yet but I can confirm
generally that we are expecting some better integration options between
workflow and NW BPM when we get to 7.3 on both the backend and NW BPM platforms
most likely around business event management and calling of ABAP-based
applications. We also expect some sort of import for 7.3 although I
don't expect we will be translating from workflow to BPM or vice versa - more
likely import of a model from business process modelling applications. I
don't expect workflow to be further developed - although I agree BPMN is easier
to work with and enables better cross communication between business and IT. <br>
<br>
If anyone has any specific questions I'm happy to provide what information I
can. There are trial versions available on SDN if you want to have a play
with NW BPM, or try out the pre-built Simple Sample Applications on the
ESWorkplace site. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jocelyn </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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