[Tango-L] TANGO 2000 ............For DUMMIES

[ECSEDY Áron]

David (and others),

David, I think you are very much stuck into your specific tango 
environment, where what you understand to be 'nuevo' correlates with 
crappy navigation skills. This is definitely not true to many, I risk 
it, most 'nuevo' communities. Maybe there is an unqualified 
teacher/organizer around, or maybe just too many people who don't accept 
that there are actually others who think/dance otherwise...

I guess, if we would simply exchange 'nuevo dancers' with 'black people' 
or 'gay people', then the idea of separating them for your comfort would 
seem a whole lot more provocative, while in essence the reasons behind 
the segregation would be the same: some people are different, and want 
to be separated. In your youth both was everyday phenomena. People 
thought that segregation was OK then. So if we separate we'll have 
tanghettos? :) Then nuevo may really become a different style - with a 
sidenote, that it would be the one to survive as tango. The younger 
generation has a knack for it, and therefore they will bring 'nuevo' as 
'tango' into the future without the possibility to be faced with the 
'other' style. Not that it has any chance for happening: milonga 
organizers are not stupid to shut out their future market...

All your recent posts convey the same, generalizing and generally 
untrue, statement that 'nuevo' dancers are crap, and your posting style 
is visibly offending many people (those who don't dance 'nuevo' also): 
IMO this is not acceptable on an open list, it is the very same thing 
that you so fervently criticize in the style of the 'nuevo dancers'. 
Also, a tango mailing list is not supposed to be a community junkyard: 
the reason for discussion is not to 'vent' frustration or to attack 
people or groups of people, but to share experiences, or to discuss 
certain views. Cold war methods of agitprop is NOT discussion.

As for the remarks about navigation at La Viruta by others: It is not 
entirely the same crowd if you go on different days, or when different 
DJs/orchestras are around. Also, most foreigners (at the beginning, me 
too) did not understand those simple rules that have to be followed to 
do just about anything without a bump in any size of crowd. Something 
that was increasingly difficult for instance when the locals:foreigners 
ratio changed during a CITA. Of course, it is maybe only my superb 
navigation skills, but I don't think so...

Peace,
Aron

HBBOOGIE1 at aol.com írta:
> TANGO 2000 FOR DUMMIES
>
> Lesson  1    Nuevo Tango
>
> The challenge: Argentine Tango is forever  changing and evolving and that’s 
> a good thing. I admire the younger generation  for it’s Nuevo Tango and all 
> the work and effort they put into it however  because of the nature of the 
> way Nuevo is danced it conflicts with the standard  etiquette of traditional 
> social Tango. Perhaps no one has ever explained the  rules but that doesn't 
> matter because the rules don't apply to Nuevo because of  the way it’s 
> danced. So you see it’s a big problem that might not have a simple  solution.
>
> Let me explain a couple of rules just so you know what I'm  talking about.
>
> Tango is danced in a “line of dance” counter clockwise  around the outer 
> edge of the floor. On a crowded floor you can form another line  of dance 
> inside the first one and even a third one if it’s really crowded so if  you 
> were hanging from the ceiling like spider man looking down it would look  like 
> a giant bulls eye. For those of us that like to stop and jump and spin and  
> kick we should first move to the middle of the bulls eye that way we don't 
> stop  the line of dance and we don't injure anyone with our jumping and 
> kicking and  everyone is happy.
>
> These rules suck for Nuevo Tango….no jumping spinning  and kicking on a 
> crowded social dance floor. But hold on, I just saw that old  dude leading a 
> boleo…what gives him the right to do it and not me? The  experienced leader 
> will lead a soft low boleo he will pay attention to the line  of dance he will 
> use his floor craft to lead figures that will not harm others  on the floor 
> and he won't slow down the line of dance. Remember the nature of  Nuevo 
> Tango is to spin at incredible high speeds stay in one spot for long  periods 
> of time and lead the follower to kick at least as high as a Radio City  
> Rockette.
>
> The Solution: 
> This is the hard part and I'm not sure I know  the answer perhaps separate 
> milongas for Nuevo and Traditional is the only  solution?
> If anyone has any suggestions let the organizers know. If we talk  about a 
> challenge we can find a solution.  
>
>
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