[Tango-L] Fwd: side sacada

[Bill Serve]

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From: Bill Serve <billserve at gmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] side sacada
To: "Nussbaum, Martin" <mnussbau at law.nyc.gov>


What I mean by direction of the sacada is the direction of the giro,
 to the leaders left or to the leaders right,  my point is that for a
 front sacada to either the front side or back step of the follower the
 leader sacadas with the same foot  as the direction of the turn, and
 for a side sacada he would sacada with the foot that is not in the
 direction of the turn.

 I believe that the leader must go in the direction of the follower to
 replace her foot position with you foot (isn't that what Sacada
 means?). If two people dancing together with each other in a circular
 motion go in different directions they will end up going away from
 each other (different circles) or will bang into each other (same
 circle different directions), so they must both go in the same
 direction or disconnect from each other.


 On 5/13/09, Nussbaum, Martin <mnussbau at law.nyc.gov> wrote:
 > You lost me. I have no idea what you mean by the direction of the
 >  sacada. I have never heard that reference term used before.  The
 >  direction of the follower is not necessarily the same as the leader,
 >  even if she is doing a giro around the leader.  I can lead a woman to go
 >  in one direction while I go in another.
 >  A front sacada, for example, to a womans right front cross step,
 >  (clockwise giro) can be done with either foot of the leader sacador.
 >  Same for a back sac.   So I see no need to have a separate species
 >  called "side sacada".
 >  You have open and cross sacadas by the leader, front and back.  We only
 >  have two legs.  Our postion is either open to the follower or its
 >  crossed. I don't care if my entry is at 9 oclcok on the dial or 3 pm on
 >  the clock dia, I care how my torso is oriented toward the folloer, open
 >  or crossed.  Those are the only options, unless you count "jumping "with
 >  both feet at once sacadas.  So I get 48 sacadas without side sacadas.
 >  (72 if you insist side sacadas are a separate species. )
 >
 >
 >  -----Original Message-----
 >  From: Bill Serve [mailto:billserve at gmail.com]
 >  Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:59 PM
 >  To: Nussbaum, Martin
 >  Subject: Re: [Tango-L] side sacada
 >
 >  Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a side sacada done with the foot
 >  opposite the direction of the sacada, whereas front or back sacadas are
 >  done with the foot in the direction of the sacada?
 >  (I only consider circular movement when talking about sacadas because
 >  linear sacadas just don't work well. this puts me in the group that
 >  thinks there are 36 traditional sacadas.)
 >
 >
 >
 >  On 5/13/09, Nussbaum, Martin <mnussbau at law.nyc.gov> wrote:
 >  > Damian wrote: So, you don't consider a side sacada a sacada??
 >  >
 >  >  It is a sacada, but not a separate sacada for purposes of structural
 >
 >  > classification;  It is a subset of an open front sacada, merely done
 >  > with the sacador's hips oriented a little differently.  Any other
 >  > classification would require counting the infinite number of possible
 >
 >  > degrees of entry between 0 and 360 as separate sacadas.
 >  >
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