[Tango-L] to the Dancer and the Musician

[AJ Azure]

> Linda,
> D'Arinezo is simple !?
> Ok. Why not to play like D'Arienzo, then. If it is simple. Or it is so
> simple that our advanced musicians do not even bother to try. But as a test?
> Well, at dancing parties we want sometimes something simple. It goes in
> waves, you know..
> How about Firpo, Canaro, Ortiz, Orquesta Tipica Victor? Their groups, trios
> and quartets? No. You jump to Biagi. Ever seen a musician trying to play
> Chopin before a folk dance is mastered?
> 
> What is that pointed you in my message that I have limited knowledge about?
> You did not specify it, please, do! I never learned music theory, but so
> what?
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so you tread where you do not know what you speak of. That makes a
difference on your statements validity. You make SO many assumptions about
what musicians think but, you know very little in the way of fact as to what
we think or believe. Arrogance based in ignorance is very unimpressive.
> 
> "Simple" is not a name-calling. It is the basis. It takes the true
> understanding to make things simple. Mastering "simple" is a sign of
> maturity. My plea to play simple does not insult anyone, except those who
> deserve be insulted. If you are not able to play simple, you should not even
> try to play complex! Otherwise you do not understand what you are doing, and
> that is exactly what I am talking about.
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That is the ONLY thing you've said that made sense and had some validity.
Sometimes simplicity is sublime.
> 
> Biagi style is based on older, more traditional tango. How can you possibly
> study and make conclusions about Biagi, if you do not know the basis Biagi
> stand upon? You must understand that Biagi's audience was savvy, and the
> goals of Biagi was to play music and impress those who knew older staff
> already. That is how I understand it.

By the way the word is 'stuff' not staff.
> 
> With modern technology you have way more music examples, material to study
> than any of musicians of the past. Use it!
> 
> I do not know the group you was talking about, but I know that there are
> good musicians trying to play good tangos. For example, San Francisco's
> Tango No 9 is very good. They play in many styles and very rhythmically and
> danceably correct. And they can play Piazzolla too. My greatest respect to
> those who play right tangos for us !!!
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The respect should be for the attempt and then you help nurture. Arrogance
doe snot nurture.
> 
> 
> Igor Polk.
> PS,
> Aj, there is NO ONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY TANGO LIKE IN
> OLD TIMES !
> There is no one to take advice from.
> There is only one source of knowledge - CDs with old records.
> 
> And THAT IS GOOD ! It puts everyone in the world on the same starting line !
> Buy 300 Tango CDs, study them  - and here you are - with some luck you are a
> TANGO GOD !!!


Hmm ok go learn tango from videos only.  That's' exactly what you just told
me! That's also kind of a clueless statement as there are students of the
original players. This exactly what Linda means, "talking about things you
don't know enough about." You still don't seem to comprehend that
transcription alone is not studying music.
> 
> 
>There is nothing really special about it. The recopy is simple: start with
>beginning ! Start building your house from the basement !

Until you try something yourself you should not attempt advice.

>WHY, WHY, WHY, ( as Aj said ) there are so many great, educated, talented
>tango musicians,
>and there are so many of them who can not play tango right !!!!?????

They may not play tango how you want them to but, that is where your
expertise ends.

>There is only two answers, either they are ignorant, ignorant to dancers, to
>history, or not as good as they think about themselves.

There are only two answers in your mind,. As you've proven many a time you
are very arrogant and centered around your opinion being fact and law. But,
you prove that you really don't have much basis for understanding this topic
in full. Quit while you're behind.


Oh and in the future when posting to the list ask permission to post if it
is quoting a private exchange or do you also lack etiquette?