[Tango-L] Rampant serious misunderstandings about "Gustavo"

Tue Jul 24 12:34:57 EDT 2007

Dear Tangueros,

You seem to forget that Argentines are fundamentally Italian. For example, look at the names of all the great tango bandleaders and composers... even the dancers, and let's not forget the majority of the Argentina Yellow Pages!

What is it they say?

"An Argentine is...
an Italian who speaks Spanish,
wants to be British,
dresses like the French,
and is arrogant like the Germans".

By the way, don't flame me! This is a quote but I can't remember where I saw it.

Very best wishes

Dani ~
`El Zorro de Tango' >:-)))))

~Tango*La Dolce Vita~

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----- Original Message ----
From: "ceverett at ceverett.com" <ceverett at ceverett.com>
To: Jake Spatz (TangoDC.com) <spatz at tangodc.com>; Tango-L <tango-L at mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July, 2007 2:34:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Rampant serious misunderstandings about "Gustavo"

Rob Hauk told me about this song where the guys woman leaves him,
and he's saying, 

Victory! I can go live with my Mom again ... \
Victory! I can sleep late again ... 

What Argentines have that the Italians don't is a lovely sense of irony.

Christopher

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:48:45 -0400, "Jake Spatz (TangoDC.com)"
<spatz at tangoDC.com> said:
> Neil,
> 
> This is virtually an entire subgenre of tango songs. Vd. 
> http://www.todotango.com/english/biblioteca/letras/letras_tema.asp?idt=5&t=Mother
> 
> Jake
> DC
> 
> 
> Tango Tango wrote:
> > Brian.
> >
> > Italian men cry because they miss their mommies.
> >
> >
> > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1945801,00.html
> >
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > On 7/23/07, Brian Dunn <brian at danceoftheheart.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> Dani, you wrote:
> >>     
> >> On the other hand, Brian, as much as I thoroughly agree with you about
> >> Gustavo, I have to say the following to you:
> >> I get annoyed about peoples' ideas, which often flies in the face of the
> >> natural concept of what tango (in fact, almost any partnered dance but
> >> more
> >> so tango), in my opinion is... machismo vs femininity. The man is the
> >> predator, the woman is the prey, as has been since time immemorial (which
> >> is
> >> undoubtedly the reason why seeing women leading irritates me so much). To
> >> hear what should be a machismo tanguero talking of "sitting with tears in
> >> our eyes watching them dance" really turns my stomach. Men (even more so
> >> in
> >> the tango world) should be men... not wimps (American equivalent, I
> >> believe,
> >> is "wussy" or something).
> >> <<<
> >>
> >> Hey, Dani, relax.  I agree with you about men and women in some ways that
> >> might surprise you, even if I'd extend and modify your metaphor
> >> considerably.  "Sitting there with tears in our eyes" was a phrase
> >> motivated
> >> by watching my wife Deb ruin her makeup.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, I seem to recall lots of tough Italian guys in the
> >> "Godfather"-vein of our popular mythology who let themselves go
> >> emotionally
> >> at an opera, for example.  In these popular portrayals, these guys seem
> >> like
> >> fellows that I wouldn't want to call a wimp, except maybe over a phone
> >> from
> >> an untraceable location. I'd say context is important in evaluating
> >> whether
> >> tears convey strong passionate emotion or "wussy-hood".
> >>
> >> In any case, I wish I'd been there in Rome with you!
> >>
> >> Abrazos,
> >> Brian Dunn
> >> Dance of the Heart
> >> 775 Pleasant Street
> >> Boulder, CO 80302 USA
> >> 303-938-0716
> >> www.danceoftheheart.com
> >> "Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time"
> >>
> >>
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