[Tango-L] Rampant serious misunderstandings about "Gustavo"

[ceverett@ceverett.com]

Rob Hauk told me about this song where the guys woman leaves him,
and he's saying, 

Victory! I can go live with my Mom again ... \
Victory! I can sleep late again ... 

What Argentines have that the Italians don't is a lovely sense of irony.

Christopher

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:48:45 -0400, "Jake Spatz (TangoDC.com)"
<spatz at tangoDC.com> said:
> Neil,
> 
> This is virtually an entire subgenre of tango songs. Vd. 
> http://www.todotango.com/english/biblioteca/letras/letras_tema.asp?idt=5&t=Mother
> 
> Jake
> DC
> 
> 
> Tango Tango wrote:
> > Brian.
> >
> > Italian men cry because they miss their mommies.
> >
> >
> > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1945801,00.html
> >
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > On 7/23/07, Brian Dunn <brian at danceoftheheart.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> Dani, you wrote:
> >>     
> >> On the other hand, Brian, as much as I thoroughly agree with you about
> >> Gustavo, I have to say the following to you:
> >> I get annoyed about peoples' ideas, which often flies in the face of the
> >> natural concept of what tango (in fact, almost any partnered dance but
> >> more
> >> so tango), in my opinion is... machismo vs femininity. The man is the
> >> predator, the woman is the prey, as has been since time immemorial (which
> >> is
> >> undoubtedly the reason why seeing women leading irritates me so much). To
> >> hear what should be a machismo tanguero talking of "sitting with tears in
> >> our eyes watching them dance" really turns my stomach. Men (even more so
> >> in
> >> the tango world) should be men... not wimps (American equivalent, I
> >> believe,
> >> is "wussy" or something).
> >> <<<
> >>
> >> Hey, Dani, relax.  I agree with you about men and women in some ways that
> >> might surprise you, even if I'd extend and modify your metaphor
> >> considerably.  "Sitting there with tears in our eyes" was a phrase
> >> motivated
> >> by watching my wife Deb ruin her makeup.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, I seem to recall lots of tough Italian guys in the
> >> "Godfather"-vein of our popular mythology who let themselves go
> >> emotionally
> >> at an opera, for example.  In these popular portrayals, these guys seem
> >> like
> >> fellows that I wouldn't want to call a wimp, except maybe over a phone
> >> from
> >> an untraceable location. I'd say context is important in evaluating
> >> whether
> >> tears convey strong passionate emotion or "wussy-hood".
> >>
> >> In any case, I wish I'd been there in Rome with you!
> >>
> >> Abrazos,
> >> Brian Dunn
> >> Dance of the Heart
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> >>
> >>
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