PR MOdification
Stephane Bailleul
s.bailleul at free.fr
Thu Nov 18 14:02:50 EST 2010
Hi Mike and Marton, and all
First thanks for your replies
I would like to reply first to you and then provide the solution I have
found :
Marton, there is no issue in the MM area, as I said in my message,
whatever the amount we do only have one release strategy and this
release strategy is only containing one step, the approver in this step
is found via user exit,
More explanation : checking the responsible of the cost object (account
assignment) then via RFC we are comparing the total value of the
purchase requisition to the approval limit of the user in SRM and if not
sufficient then we are checking the approval limit of his manager, until
we find the right approver.
In MM, the setting for amount of quantity on release strategy is only
working for release code that have done their release. In my case the
release is not yet done so the value checks are not working.
Mike, in your reply I think you are mixing the event releasestepcreated
and signicantlychanged.
In the workflow we have set up the significantlychanged event is raised
whenever EBAN_MENGE or EBAN_PREIS is changed (due to the settings done
in SWEC)
My problem if not explain clearly the first time, is when the workflow
is in process (PR not yet release) and a purchase requisitioner is
adding a new item in the PR, no event change or significantly changed is
being raised. Releasestepcreated is not raised either butSo that is
normal behavior because my release strategy and release step are not
changing according to MM settings.
So I have found that the new item is not triggering a change event but a
creation event (which is funny cause I am working on BUs2105 pR and not
BUs0009 PR line item)
so basically to capture the event I inserted a new entry in SWEC on
BUS2105 on creation (using the create event) with criteria
Eban-Bnfpo_old not existing
And then the event is triggered as soon as the new item is added.
I hope my explanation is clear and can help others (no development is
needed here)
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> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:11:45 -0000
> From: "Mike Pokraka" <wug at workflowconnections.com>
> Subject: Re: PR MOdification
> To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at MIT.EDU>
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> Hi Stephane,
>
> This is correct behaviour. e.g. a release strategy is up to a value of
> 5000 and a PR is for 3000, pending approval. The PR is changed to a value
> of 3500. ==> Same approver.
> Significantlychanged is only raised whenever a change causes a new release
> strategy. Change the value to 5001 and a new release strategy is
> determined.
>
> If you need the system to behave differently then you need to do some
> custom work as Marton suggested.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:10:24 +0100
From: M?rton Zsolt <Marton.Zsolt at iqsys.hu>
Subject: RE: PR MOdification
To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu>
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Hi Stephane,
I think this is an MM issue. The release startegi redetermination can be
set in MM customizing, but if the value or quantity change is below
the ?old? release startegie limit, than the redetermination will not be
carried out, therfore no event is triggered.
We have similar problems, and we implemented a customer badi to trigger
our custom event every time when the PR change fullfills our criteria.
br
zsolt
From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
Of Stephane Bailleul
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:00 PM
To: sap-wug at mit.edu
Subject: PR MOdification
Hi all,
On an ECC6 system, We are using release strategy on PR with a only one
step with user exit we are determining dynamically according to the
amount of the PR the unique approver.
At creation, or release it is working fine.
However for modification there are some complication, when the PR is
not yet approved
First I noticed that the changes (like price modification or quantity
modification) were not triggering a new release strategy (of course
there is only one now with one step !!)
So in transaction SWEC I used the event significantly changed on update
with some criteria relevant for our workflow,
Then I noticed that creating a new line item was not considered as a
change on the PR, so was not triggering the event significantlychanged
event ....so the release strategy has the right approver but not the
workitem ...
Do someone have a workaround ? a way to trigger the change event or
significantlychanged event for the Pr in order to restart the workflow ?
Best regards
stephane
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> From: Manish Khanna <mkhanna at sapient.com>
> Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
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> Thanks Sheldon/Mike and others.
>
> Seems, these are my only options. At first get the list of active definitions via SWDM and then use the below transactions to find the usage.
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> --
> Manish
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Sheldon Oxenberg
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:39 PM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
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> Hi Manish,
>
> You could try using standard SAP Workflow report transactions SWI2_FREQ and
> SWI2_DURA.
>
> Regards.
>
> SHELDON OXENBERG
> System Architect Principal Leader
> LMP Technical Architect, SAP Workflow
> CSC
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>
>
> From: Manish Khanna <mkhanna at sapient.com>
>
> To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu>
>
> Date: 11/16/2010 03:55 AM
>
> Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, couldn't phrase it properly.
>
> By useful, I meant workflow definitions that are active in production and
> are regularly used in day to day business
> By usability, I meant average work items generated per day per workflow
>
> Not sure of any other parameters/indicators that can be helpful for such a
> report.
>
> Thanks
> Manish
>
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> Behalf Of JANSSENS Koenraad
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:58 PM
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> Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
>
> What do you mean with "useful"?
> What do you mean with "average usability"?
>
> It might be because I'm not an English-native speaker but I find the
> descriptions quite vague.
>
> Anyway... the functionality you will search can most probably be found
> by using one of the valuable SAP_WAPI* functions.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Koenraad
>
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> Behalf Of Manish Khanna
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:21 AM
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> Subject: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
>
> Hi,
>
> My client has asked me to prepare a usability report for the
> workflows in production. They would like to know
> 1) How many active useful workflows we have in production
> 2) What is average usability per workflow
>
> Has anyone prepared such report and share few inputs? Besides, how to
> find total active useful workflows in production?
>
> Thanks
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> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:03:16 -0000 (GMT)
> From: "Mike Pokraka" <wug at workflowconnections.com>
> Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
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> Not sure what you mean by "only options". It does exactly what you asked
> for. Looking at usage will automatically tell you which ones are active.
> Non active worklows won't appear in the reports. Active ones do.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, November 18, 2010 6:39 am, Manish Khanna wrote:
> > Thanks Sheldon/Mike and others.
> >
> > Seems, these are my only options. At first get the list of active
> > definitions via SWDM and then use the below transactions to find the
> > usage.
> >
> > --
> > Manish
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
> > Of Sheldon Oxenberg
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:39 PM
> > To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
> >
> > Hi Manish,
> >
> > You could try using standard SAP Workflow report transactions SWI2_FREQ
> > and
> > SWI2_DURA.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > SHELDON OXENBERG
> > System Architect Principal Leader
> > LMP Technical Architect, SAP Workflow
> > CSC
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Manish Khanna <mkhanna at sapient.com>
> >
> > To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu>
> >
> > Date: 11/16/2010 03:55 AM
> >
> > Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry, couldn't phrase it properly.
> >
> > By useful, I meant workflow definitions that are active in production and
> > are regularly used in day to day business
> > By usability, I meant average work items generated per day per workflow
> >
> > Not sure of any other parameters/indicators that can be helpful for such a
> > report.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Manish
> >
> > From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> > Behalf Of JANSSENS Koenraad
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:58 PM
> > To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > Subject: RE: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
> >
> > What do you mean with "useful"?
> > What do you mean with "average usability"?
> >
> > It might be because I'm not an English-native speaker but I find the
> > descriptions quite vague.
> >
> > Anyway... the functionality you will search can most probably be
> > found
> > by using one of the valuable SAP_WAPI* functions.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Koenraad
> >
> > From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Manish Khanna
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:21 AM
> > To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > Subject: SAP workflows in production : Usability report
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My client has asked me to prepare a usability report for the
> > workflows in production. They would like to know
> > 1) How many active useful workflows we have in production
> > 2) What is average usability per workflow
> >
> > Has anyone prepared such report and share few inputs? Besides, how
> > to
> > find total active useful workflows in production?
> >
> > Thanks
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> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:11:45 -0000 (GMT)
> From: "Mike Pokraka" <wug at workflowconnections.com>
> Subject: Re: PR MOdification
> To: "SAP Workflow Users' Group" <sap-wug at MIT.EDU>
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>
> Hi Stephane,
>
> This is correct behaviour. e.g. a release strategy is up to a value of
> 5000 and a PR is for 3000, pending approval. The PR is changed to a value
> of 3500. ==> Same approver.
> Significantlychanged is only raised whenever a change causes a new release
> strategy. Change the value to 5001 and a new release strategy is
> determined.
>
> If you need the system to behave differently then you need to do some
> custom work as Marton suggested.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> On Wed, November 17, 2010 8:00 pm, Stephane Bailleul wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > On an ECC6 system, We are using release strategy on PR with a only one
> > step with user exit we are determining dynamically according to the
> > amount of the PR the unique approver.
> > At creation, or release it is working fine.
> >
> > However for modification there are some complication, when the PR is
> > not yet approved
> >
> > First I noticed that the changes (like price modification or quantity
> > modification) were not triggering a new release strategy (of course
> > there is only one now with one step !!)
> > So in transaction SWEC I used the event significantly changed on update
> > with some criteria relevant for our workflow,
> >
> > Then I noticed that creating a new line item was not considered as a
> > change on the PR, so was not triggering the event significantlychanged
> > event ....so the release strategy has the right approver but not the
> > workitem ...
> >
> > Do someone have a workaround ? a way to trigger the change event or
> > significantlychanged event for the Pr in order to restart the workflow ?
> > Best regards
> > stephane
> >
> >
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>
> >> I also did some gOOgling...
> >> It appears that Quintus Bell is a SAP CRM Developer at Mercedes Benz
> >> South
> >> Africa / Sofware developer at Mondial IT Solutions?
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> SHELDON OXENBERG
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> >>
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> >> From: michael.mcley at daimler.com
> >>
> >> To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> >>
> >> Date: 11/17/2010 10:03 AM
> >>
> >> Subject: Stupid Question (so now you have to read it ...;-) -
> >> Regarding Delegations
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wuggers,
> >>
> >> I need to make a couple of system-wide delegations for one of my
> >> workflow
> >> projects. From what I have read of system-wide delegations, they are
> >> kind
> >> of a 1 time / 1 step configuration, meaning that you cannot cascade
> >> delegations from one object to another, to another, etc... . And also, a
> >> delegation from a standard object can occur only 1 time. So once I have
> >> delegated a standard BUSxxxx object to another object, there is no
> >> possibility to further delegate that base object.
> >>
> >> So now, when I look at my current system delegations I find there are
> >> already several delegations of standard SAP BUSxxxx objects (BUS2010,
> >> 2011,
> >> 2081, etc..) to some ADBxxxx objects. The person responsible for these
> >> delegations is "QUINTUS" who is not a user in our system.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if these are delegations provided by SAP, or should I
> >> be
> >> looking for some add-in (or something else) that created these
> >> delegations?
> >> No one who was here before me knows anything about them. Also is it
> >> safe
> >> to delete these delegations (assuming I do some research to ensure we
> >> are
> >> not using them) if they are provided by SAP?
> >>
> >> Tried gOOgling it, found a lot of information relating to a company
> >> named
> >> Quintus Corp, but not much else. Not much in OSS either. Thanks for
> >> your
> >> help.
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael McLey
> >> MBUSI - IT Parts & Administration
> >> Mercedes-Benz US International, Inc.
> >> 1 Mercedes Drive
> >> Vance, AL 35490
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