_RULE_RESULT binding

Thu Jul 31 17:15:03 EDT 2008

Sudhir,

I still may be a little fuzzy on the design. Your task with the "Latest
/ Requested End" modeled deadline ends how? 
>From the verbiage here it sounds like you are killing the task via some
type of Process Control 
like,  "Cancel Work Item" step, "Set to task to obsolete" step, etc. 
Yes?

If so, I don't think this 'should' work. Kill task / WFs generally mean
just that. Kill it and stop processing.
I avoid these as much as possible. (Took them all out and never use them
for this reason) 
Assuming I have followed your design. I created a quick hack in my
sandbox and 
can verify that this does not work for me either. 

Have you tried to use a terminating event to end the task? Instead of
the Kill, you could replace 
with a Raise Term event step. (?) Then, the Task will definitely
complete its processing and flow correctly.

But if it worked before, you should be able to get SAP to make
corrections for you. 
Never used the new Process Control (Kill) steps but let me know. 

Rick Sample | Office (314) 573-5700 | rick.sample at graybar.com 
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From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
Of Sudhir Pargaonkar
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:08 PM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: Re: _RULE_RESULT binding

Sure Rick.. would be great.. my release is
SAP_BASIS    700    0013    SAPKB70013    SAP Basis Component

I created a method using FM "SAP_WAPI_WORKITEM_RECIPIENTS".. I pass
workitem ID to this FM before I set it as obsolete.. Once I get list of
all agents from here, I am sending them reminder emails... 

can not use After Method on the task since no one is executing the
workitem when the deadline is reached. It is being set as obsolete. 

do let me know if you can get the binding to work and get _RULE_RESULT
values back to workflow container in your release. 

Thanks.
sudhir

2008/7/31 Sample, Rick <Rick.Sample at graybar.com>

	Ah! I see now. I was reading _RULE_RESULT and "thinking"
_WI_ACTUAL_AGENT. <blush> Sorry!
	I don't think I have a WF that passes all role agents.
Interesting. 

	If not some binding issue and currently no SAP Note to apply (or
no SAP Note created for this issue), 
	I would say just create a new method and plop it in the After
method on the task. 
	If a solution becomes available later you, you would not have to
rip the whole WF Template apart and take out the BG tasks. 
	You would only need to remove the method on the task. A tad
simpler!

	** Though I would make serious effort to get SAP to correct! 

	Please let me know when you have a solution. I will create a
quick test on this just to see for myself and on my release.
	[SAP_BASIS 700 0014 SAPKB70014 SAP Basis Component]

	I will let you know what shakes out for me it you are
interested. 

	Rick Sample | Office (314) 573-5700 | rick.sample at graybar.com 

	www.graybar.com <http://www.graybar.com/>  - Works to Your
Advantage 

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	From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu]
On Behalf Of Sudhir Pargaonkar

	Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:51 PM 

	To: SAP Workflow Users' Group

	Subject: Re: _RULE_RESULT binding

	Hi Rick,

	I understand that WF-BATCH would be the user that would set
workitem as obsolete. Let me explain the scenario:

	workitem is in the inbox of say 5 users determined by a agent
determination rule. as per thomas email, when any one of them executes
the workitem, we know "Executed By" user as well as list of these 5
users in workflow container if we have a binding between _RULE_RESULT
and a workflow container element.

	Issue is, if we have a modeled deadline.. and WF-BATCH sets
workitem to obsolete status using process control step. In this case, we
still need list of those 5 users who had the workitem in their inbox. So
that we can send them an email saying, they have missed the deadline. In
this scenario, contents of _RULE_RESULT are not transfered to workflow
container even if we have correct binding. 

	hope that explains the situation. I am also in the process of
creating a method and background step to read agents of the workitem to
avoid this problem. 

	Let me know if there is another solution to keep the design
clean. 

	Thanks
	Sudhir

	2008/7/31 Sample, Rick <Rick.Sample at graybar.com>

		Thomas,

		Sorry, I may be jumping into the middle and I may be
missing something but I don't see the issue. 

		How is the task terminating? By the deadline itself?
i.e. an actual agent does not have to execute 

		the task for it to complete?

		>>Ran into the same issue, if the work item is executed
then the _Rule_Result 

		>>is populated and you have what you need.  

		An 'actual agent' executed the task, and you have an
agent. 

		>>But if not executed, like when a deadline is reached,
you get nothing - very annoying.

		If the deadline is reached, and no 'actual agent'
executed the task, I would think 

		you would not want to populate the _Rule_Result. Would
only have WF-BATCH as the agent 

		because WF-BATCH is the user that tripped the Deadline.
Not an agent. 

		Sudhir,

		>>note can not be applied as it doesn't match correct
version. 

		Hmmm... What version are you on? Service Patch level?

		I will be upgrading another 4.6c to ECC6 soon, so I have
interest in this issue you are experiencing. 

		The last system I do not believe I had this scenario.

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		From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:
sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Maue, Thomas
		Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:05 PM 

		To: SAP Workflow Users' Group

		Subject: RE: _RULE_RESULT binding

		Sudhir,

		Ran into the same issue, if the work item is executed
then the _Rule_Result is populated and you have what you need.  But if
not executed, like when a deadline is reached, you get nothing - very
annoying.

		I had to add a background step to return the rule agents
before routing the escalation to managers or sending an SAP notification
to agents.  Some of these were responsibilities type rules so had to
create a method to find agents since there was no corresponding function
module to execute.  

		Would have been a lot easier/cleaner if _Rule_Result was
populated!

		Regards,

		Thomas Maue

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		From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:
sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Sudhir Pargaonkar
		Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:39 AM
		To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
		Subject: _RULE_RESULT binding

		Hi All, 

		I am on ECC 6.0 system.. I want to get result of agent
determination rule into workflow container so that I can send all these
users reminder email once the deadline is reached. 

		In earlier systems, it used to work fine.. but now, no
values are being passed to workflow container even though the binding is
correct. I tried to apply SAP NOTE 707767 but it says, note can not be
applied as it doesnt match correct version. 

		any suggestions on how to fix this issue? I can always
create a new step and a method to find out list of agents selected, but
wanted to do it the right way..

		thanks
		Sudhir

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