Maximum number of multiline element (99) (new)
Namit Bhargava
namit.bhargava at us.ibm.com
Tue Dec 17 09:46:02 EST 2002
Dale & Tomasz - works perfectly fine - I was able to get it working
yesterday itself.
Thanks a ton,
regards
Namit Bhargava
Principal Consultant
IBM Business Consulting Services
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Namit,
I believe you misunderstood Dale's advice. If your decision needs to be
made
separately by each of the three agents, you still need to follow it.
- The case you're referring to is when only one work item is created, and
as
soon one of the agent completes it -- it's gone. This would be the case if
you specified the "Agents" as your AGENTTABLE.
- What Dale advises you is to go through the last variant which I described
(and that obviously worked for Robert, as this is the standard way of
handling such cases). OK -- you cannot apply the "Other" settings directly
to a decision task. When you put this decision task into a subworkflow that
you insert in your workflow, you can however apply the "Other" settings to
this subworkflow. In other words -- your subworkflow will be started as
many
times as there are agents in the AGENTTABLE, so your decision task will be
started the same number of times. You just need to pass the agent into the
subworkflow -- and you're done!
That's what Dale was proposing...
Kind regards,
Tomasz
P.S. Just by the way -- if you have a decision step as the first task of
the
workflow and you need to have the decision executed separately by each of
the agents, it sounds like a good idea to check the workflow design again.
Such case is pretty unusual and may indicate some modelling issues, which
will become more and more nasty as you continue to develop / support the
scenario. Think about splitting the whole into separate workflows, each
executed for a different agent / part of data. Of course I may be wrong,
but
it's better to be safe than sorry.
-----Original Message-----
From: Namit Bhargava [mailto:namit.bhargava at us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday,16. December 2002 19:53
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Subject: Re: Maximum number of multiline element (99) (new)
Thanks Dale - but suppose 3 agents rec. the decision step & 1 of them
clicks on it - it will disappear from other 2's inbox - I dont want that to
happen.
Regards
Namit Bhargava
Principal Consultant
IBM Business Consulting Services
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Namit:
Create a subflow for your decision step and outcomes, then you can add the
multiline element as a table in the other tab.
Regards,
Dale Davis Jones
IBM Business Consulting Services
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Hello Folks:
I have to sent a decision step to multiple agents - the other tab in the
decision step does not allow me to put the agent table as mentioned in the
mail below - how do I achieve this? Any help will be greatly appreciated -
all agents have to complete the task independent of each other - I want
something like parallel processing but am unble to do so in a decision step
- this will be the first step in the workflow.
Thanks
Namit Bhargava
Principal Consultant
IBM Business Consulting Services
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Hi Tomasz,
This is exactly what I need! Tested it and it works fine!
Thanks a lot for your answer.
Robert Verlaat
Robert,
The general settings are:
- in the "Agents" section you can specify the container table as the
"expression". Then each of the users provided in the table will receive
a
notification, but these all messages refer to the same work item. When
one
of the many agents completes the work item, it disappears from all the
other
inboxes.
- in the "Other" tab you can also specify a table for the "multiple
parallel
processing". For each of the entries (usually the list of agents...)
there
will be a separate work item created by the system, and the agents for
each
of the work items will be determined as you've specified in the "Agents"
tab.
So if you have your AGENTTABLE in the "Other" AND in the "Agents"
section,
there will be several work items created, but each of them will send a
notification to ALL of the users in the AGENTTABLE (each of them will
receive as many work items, as there were entries in the AGENTTABLE).
(This
discussion of course assumes there was >1 entry in the table)
What you're probably trying to accomplish is having the AGENTTABLE
contain
the list of agents, and having A SEPARATE work item issued to each of
the
agents -- but only one of them. Then each agent needs to complete his
work
item independently from the others, but he's only asked to complete one
item. To do this you need to use a small but very useful trick:
- Provide AGENTTABLE in the "Other" section. This will make sure that
many
work items will be created, but also:
- In the input help for the "Agent" you'll see two entries for the
AGENTTABLE: one "plain" entry and one with the comment "with index".
Please
select the "with index" entry, which will insert the "&AGENTTABLE()&"
expression as agent specfication.
The "with index" entry simply takes the current entry from AGENTTABLE
for
this specific work item, not the whole contents of the table.
Kind regards,
Tomasz
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From: Breslavets, Sergey [mailto:Sergey.Breslavets at anheuser-busch.com]
Sent: Tuesday,10. December 2002 19:19
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Subject: Re: Maximum number of multiline element (99) (new)
Hi Robert,
Are all three agents required to complete the task in order for the
process
to
move on, or only any one of them (though all should be ABLE to do it)?
If all three are required to complete the task, are there any
dependencies
or
they must be able to do this independently?
Thanks,
Sergey
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Maximum number of multiline element (99) (new)
Hello,
I want a (1) Task to be executed by several users. So I did the
following: The multiline element which contains all the users, I used as
the agent assignment(expression).
I also used this Multiline element on the "Other" Tab.
Now all the users (in the Multiline element) receive the WI * the number
of agents!? So if the element contains 3 users, all 3 users receive 3 WI
in their inboxes!?
When 1 user executes the WI, it also disappears from the other Inboxes.
When I the ML-element(contains 3 users)as agent assignment, and define
on the Other TAB an element which contains 1 entry, all 3 users receive
1 WI but only 1 can execute it.
Obviously I am missing something but I don't see what it might be...
Hopefully anyone can help me on this?
Thank,
Robert Verlaat
Hi Andreas,
Yes the multiline element maximum is 99 and cannot be changed. There are
obviously
performance and resource impacts when creating a large number of work
items at once
hence the restriction.
To really want to create > 99 work items for the same task is
a little unusual to say the least.
Perhaps you could explain your scenario a little
more - there may be a better approach.
Regards,
Jocelyn Dart
Consultant (SRM, EBP, Workflow)
and co-author of the book
"Practical Workflow for SAP"
SAP Australia
email: jocelyn.dart at sap.com
phone: +61 412 390 267
fax: +61 2 9935 4880
-----Original Message-----
From: Klein, Andreas
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2002 10:53 PM
To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Maximum number of multiline element (99)
Hello together,
I have a question concerning the maximum number of the multiline element
which can be found in a workflow task under 'other'. With this multiline
element one defines the dynamic parallel processing of work items. As
far as I know, the maximum number of work items created at run time is
99 and there
is no possibility to change this number towards higher values. Does
anyone know about a solution or workaround to bypass this 99 number? I
am not thinking about sending a workitem to 99+ people and only one of
them choosing it, but to really create 99+ different workitems at the
same time.
Any help is welcome!
Thanks + Best regards,
Andreas
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