[OWW-SC] page DOIs

[Drew Endy]

DOIs are readily recognized by published, academics, and grant  
reviewers.  This is largely because publishers give DOI numbers on  
the header or footer or a paper, right next to the volume, date, and  
page number data, specific to that particular journal and article.   
Because most every journal is listing DOIs, they have become a common  
form of reference.  From an appearances perspective, I have had no  
problem citing materials published in DSpace via their DOI number.   
For example, I've cited technical reports published in the the  
synthetic biology DSpace archive as references in Nature articles.   
So, there's some good amount of social acceptance as to what a DOI  
number is (whether it is warranted or not by the infrastructure  
backside is a different matter).

One thing that I like about our setting up a DOI server is that it  
would basically let folks start to build "journals" or "series" on  
top of OWW.

So far as costs... it looks like that there are some options.

First, we could partner with a university who already has a DOI  
allocation for some experimental work. But, note that we likely want  
to give a DOI to every edit / page on OWW, so this may not be practical?

But, check this out:

"Can DOIs be made available at no charge? Yes.

     (a) IDF is willing to allocate a DOI prefix free of charge to  
organizations for limited experimental non-commercial uses. Please  
contact us if you wish to apply for this."

From,
http://www.doi.org/handbook_2000/maintenance.html

Or, it looks like we can get an affiliate membership for $5k annually:
http://www.doi.org/handbook_2000/governance.html





On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Julius B. Lucks wrote:

> I guess DOI's are one incarnation of URN's with domain-specificity  
> to e-publications.  It seems really silly that the DOI registration  
> is not more permanent, which more likely than not has something to  
> do with revenues rather than implementing a successful URN scheme.
>
> I'll have to read up more on DOI's to be able to discuss this more  
> in a semi-informed manner.  For now, I don't see any problem with  
> what you proposed, although it doesn't seem to be any different  
> than just giving oww url's with an oldid parameter.  Perhaps  
> masking these url's with other url's won't change the reviewers  
> opinions once they figure out what is going on.  It seems like we  
> need something more on the lines of a culture change where people  
> find it acceptable to reference wiki pages.  Then we can use  
> whatever name archiving scheme we want.
>
> Can anyone share recent experience on reviewers not accepting oww  
> url's as references?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julius
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> On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Austin Che wrote:
>
>>
>>> What is the big cost associated with DOI's?  Is it registration  
>>> of the
>>> numbers, hardware costs, or both?  Perhaps if we don't   
>>> automatically
>>> register every page, but only pages that people request  to be
>>> registered, we could keep the cost down.  Also, what  organization
>>> would we contact to possibly get DOI registration  donated to us?  I
>>> wouldn't mind pursuing this, as I think it is a  very important  
>>> issue
>>> for us in terms of 'legitimizing' oww content.
>>
>>     Here are the registration agencies.
>>     http://doi.org/registration_agencies.html
>>
>>     I don't know anything else about DOIs. The 25K/year number was
>>     from Sri or Jason.
>>     Some lower numbers are on this page: http://www.medra.org/en/ 
>> terms.htm
>>
>>     I actually really don't understand the purpose of DOIs. As stated
>>     on that page, "If the access to the service is not renewed, the
>>     persistence of DOIs is guaranteed for at least 5 years after the
>>     payment of the last annual fee. In order to maintain the
>>     persistence of DOIs after ceasing the use of service, the payment
>>     of 0,1 euros for each document is required." so even DOIs aren't
>>     guarenteed to be permanent. And if the OWW site goes down, why
>>     would it matter if you could resolve a DOI anyway as the content
>>     is no longer there. Thus I see no technical benefits for linking
>>     to a OWW page via some indirect doi linking.
>>
>> -- 
>> Austin Che           <austin at csail.mit.edu>          (617)253-5899
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