[OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW

[John Cumbers]

The reason I'd like to be compatible with wikipedia is because I point
people to the wikipedia help files if people have problems editing.  I got
an e-mail last week from somebody saying "I followed the instructions but it
doesn't work"  which made me send the mail which started this discussion.

I agree, only minor differences between the two though,

John


On 9/22/06, Martin Jambon <martin_jambon at emailuser.net> wrote:
>
> Let me summarize what I don't like in Cite:
>
> * the numbers used for the references are incredibly small (unreadable and
>   unclickable)
> * inserting a full citation in the middle of the text is a horrible
>   practice (has anyone heard of bibtex?)
> * support for PMIDs is limited to creating an (ugly) external link to the
>   (hopefully) corresponding abstract
>
> > I'm using biblio, but using <cite> would make us compatible with
> wikipedia.
>
> Mmmm, do you plan on forking Wikipedia articles?
>
> > It also has a few nice features, like an arrow in the references which
> > allows you to jump back to the point that it was referenced.
>
> Granted, but it's a mess when a ref is cited more than once. And it's only
> useful when you start by reading the references, because if you just want
> to come back to the section of the article where you come from, you can
> use your browser's back button.
> I know, it's a lame excuse for not implementing it Biblio, but so far it
> seems to me only like a theoretical advantage.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is a different extension.
> > >
> > > Here's the one we have:
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php.
> > >
> > > Here's the one John wants:
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > >
> > > Ilya
> > >
> > > Jason Kelly wrote:
> > > > we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
> > > > that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different
> extension...
> > > >
> > > > in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?
> > > >
> > > > jason
> > > >
> > > > On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> I say yes,
> > > >> john
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > > >> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ilya
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Martin Jambon wrote:
> > > >> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Hi all,
> > > >> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> wikipedia<
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> > > >>
> > > >> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> > > >> distribution
> > > >> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> > > >> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me
> > > >> to somewhere on OWW
> > > >> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
> > > >> motivated
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page
> so
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> > > >> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio
> extension,
> > > >> but
> > > >> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't
> > > really
> > > >> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to
> > > >> take over
> > > >> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like
> it
> > > was
> > > >> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the
> fact
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> > > >> released.
> > > >> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really
> > > familiar
> > > >> with
> > > >> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Refs: Cite extension:
> > > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > > >> > >        Biblio extension:
> > > >> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Martin
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
> > > >> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
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> > > >>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
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> > Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> > 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
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> --
> Martin Jambon, PhD
> http://martin.jambon.free.fr
>



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John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
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