The reason I'd like to be compatible with wikipedia is because I point people to the wikipedia help files if people have problems editing. I got an e-mail last week from somebody saying "I followed the instructions but it doesn't work" which made me send the mail which started this discussion.
<br><br>I agree, only minor differences between the two though, <br><br>John<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/22/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Martin Jambon</b> <<a href="mailto:martin_jambon@emailuser.net">
martin_jambon@emailuser.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Let me summarize what I don't like in Cite:
<br><br>* the numbers used for the references are incredibly small (unreadable and<br> unclickable)<br>* inserting a full citation in the middle of the text is a horrible<br> practice (has anyone heard of bibtex?)<br>* support for PMIDs is limited to creating an (ugly) external link to the
<br> (hopefully) corresponding abstract<br><br>> I'm using biblio, but using <cite> would make us compatible with wikipedia.<br><br>Mmmm, do you plan on forking Wikipedia articles?<br><br>> It also has a few nice features, like an arrow in the references which
<br>> allows you to jump back to the point that it was referenced.<br><br>Granted, but it's a mess when a ref is cited more than once. And it's only<br>useful when you start by reading the references, because if you just want
<br>to come back to the section of the article where you come from, you can<br>use your browser's back button.<br>I know, it's a lame excuse for not implementing it Biblio, but so far it<br>seems to me only like a theoretical advantage.
<br><br><br>Martin<br><br><br><br>> John<br>><br>><br>> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <<a href="mailto:ilyas@mit.edu">ilyas@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > It is a different extension.<br>> >
<br>> > Here's the one we have:<br>> > <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php</a>.<br>> ><br>> > Here's the one John wants:
<br>> > <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php</a><br>> ><br>> > Ilya<br>> ><br>> > Jason Kelly wrote:<br>> > > we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
<br>> > > that people can site OWW pages. This must be a different extension...<br>> > ><br>> > > in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?<br>> > ><br>> > > jason<br>
> > ><br>> > > On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <<a href="mailto:johncumbers@gmail.com">johncumbers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > >> I say yes,<br>> > >> john<br>> > >><br>
> > >><br>> > >> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <<a href="mailto:ilyas@mit.edu">ilyas@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>> > >> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?<br>> > >> >
<br>> > >> > Ilya<br>> > >> ><br>> > >> > Martin Jambon wrote:<br>> > >> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:<br>> > >> > ><br>> > >> > >> Hi all,
<br>> > >> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on<br>> > >> > >><br>> > >> wikipedia<<br>> > <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style</a>>,<br>> > >><br>> > >> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our<br>> > >> distribution
<br>> > >> > >> that does not allow it? If you can make my example work here:<br>> > >> > >> <a href="http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests">http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests
</a> or point me<br>> > >> to somewhere on OWW<br>> > >> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,<br>> > >> > ><br>> > >> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
<br>> > >> motivated<br>> > >> to<br>> > >> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so<br>> > >> that<br>> > >> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
<br>> > >> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension,<br>> > >> but<br>> > >> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't<br>
> > really<br>> > >> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to<br>> > >> take over<br>> > >> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it
<br>> > was<br>> > >> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)<br>> > >> > ><br>> > >> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact
<br>> > >> that<br>> > >> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is<br>> > >> released.<br>> > >> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really
<br>> > familiar<br>> > >> with<br>> > >> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.<br>> > >> > ><br>> > >> > > Refs: Cite extension:<br>> > >> <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php">
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php</a><br>> > >> > > Biblio extension:<br>> > >> <a href="http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio">http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio</a><br>> > >> > >
<br>> > >> > ><br>> > >> > > Martin<br>> > >> > ><br>> > >> > > --<br>> > >> > > Martin Jambon, PhD<br>> > >> > >
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