[OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW

[Martin Jambon]

Let me summarize what I don't like in Cite:

* the numbers used for the references are incredibly small (unreadable and
  unclickable)
* inserting a full citation in the middle of the text is a horrible
  practice (has anyone heard of bibtex?)
* support for PMIDs is limited to creating an (ugly) external link to the
  (hopefully) corresponding abstract

> I'm using biblio, but using <cite> would make us compatible with wikipedia.

Mmmm, do you plan on forking Wikipedia articles?

> It also has a few nice features, like an arrow in the references which
> allows you to jump back to the point that it was referenced.

Granted, but it's a mess when a ref is cited more than once. And it's only
useful when you start by reading the references, because if you just want
to come back to the section of the article where you come from, you can
use your browser's back button.
I know, it's a lame excuse for not implementing it Biblio, but so far it
seems to me only like a theoretical advantage.


Martin



> John
>
>
> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> > It is a different extension.
> >
> > Here's the one we have:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php.
> >
> > Here's the one John wants:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> >
> > Ilya
> >
> > Jason Kelly wrote:
> > > we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
> > > that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different extension...
> > >
> > > in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?
> > >
> > > jason
> > >
> > > On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I say yes,
> > >> john
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > >> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
> > >> >
> > >> > Ilya
> > >> >
> > >> > Martin Jambon wrote:
> > >> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Hi all,
> > >> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> > >> > >>
> > >> wikipedia<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> > >>
> > >> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> > >> distribution
> > >> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> > >> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me
> > >> to somewhere on OWW
> > >> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
> > >> motivated
> > >> to
> > >> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so
> > >> that
> > >> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> > >> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension,
> > >> but
> > >> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't
> > really
> > >> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to
> > >> take over
> > >> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it
> > was
> > >> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact
> > >> that
> > >> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> > >> released.
> > >> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really
> > familiar
> > >> with
> > >> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Refs: Cite extension:
> > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > >> > >        Biblio extension:
> > >> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Martin
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
> > >> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
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