[Tango-L] Vocals and Dancing

[Roger]

HI Lois, Yes, I have heard tango dancers say that the singer "gets in the way".
They are in the minority.
I only "get into the dance" once the singer starts.
Although I have no idea what they are saying I feel the passion.
Consequently I tend to play more vocals than instrumentals.
Having said I must admit that there are some vocals that are awful and ruin the tune.
With respect to Gardel, I can think of nothing more respectful than dancing to the singer.
However, surely we don't dance to Gardel because he uses rubato (push & pull, resulting in the same 
beat being in two different places in time, a fraction of a second apart).
I once tested this at a milonga and played two versions of Mi Buenos Aires querido by Canaro.
One with Carlos Galan and the other with Gardel. Yes Gardel's voice is beautiful and rich, but the consensus among the dancers was that Gardel is not for dancing. 

Roger (Tango Adelaide)

-----Original Message-----
From: tango-l-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Lois Donnay
Sent: Sunday, 11 October 2015 8:42 AM
To: Tango-L
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Adios Osvaldo

 I wrote this on a DJ forum recently: "In Buenos Aires, I often ran into leaders who would not dance to music with singers. They didn't like to say why, but it was a point of principal. Of course, the DJ's there never play songs with women singers. I've heard the reason is the singer deserves respect, so you shouldn't dance to them (kind of like not dancing to Gardel), and also that the way the singer influences the tempo makes the dance difficult."

I got this reply: "I've been spending a lot of my spare time lately retagging my tango music, adding singers, dates, etc. along with spelling corrections.

One of those is a set of 20 CDs sold by the DJ at El Beso, that I bought there back in '02.  This is the same set of music Susana Miller takes with her on her travels. And what set could possibly be described "traditional"
anymore than the music played at El Beso?

Out of 480 songs (120 tandas), 273 have vocals, and 207 are instrumentals, and yes, that is including the 40 Pugliese instrumentals. That's almost 60% vocals. From music selected by the DJ at El Beso for dancing.So when some Argentine tells you he doesn't dance to vocals, he is either pulling your leg or is a poser/dilettante."

And later:
"Yes I’m sure there are dancers who refuse to dance to vocals. My thesis they are outliers, and are not representative of dancers in BsAs or elsewhere. And I stand by my hypothesis that they are either joking or posers and dilettantes. It is inane for a DJ to cater their ignorant whims by limiting what he/she plays at a milonga."

And from someone else:
"posers and dilettante" sounds about right to me as well. What does such a person do when the DJ plays an instrumental as the first song of a tanda and then plays a vocal?

Am I way off base here? Any other DJ's out there who have heard of those who prefer instrumentals? If so, should we respect that or try to change them?
ᐧ

Lois Donnay
www.mndance.com
612.822.8436


On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, "Christian Lüthen" < christian.luethen at gmx.net> wrote:

> Buenas a todos.
>
> Sad news from Buenos Aires:
> Osvaldo {"Coca y Osvaldo Cartery"} died this morning.
>
> Who has met or seen Osvaldo in Buenos Aires during the last years 
> could of course imagine that his lungs were terribly il. But his death 
> is a hard hit ....
> .. I will always look for him in the Milongas of Buenos Aires.
>
> Continue dancing in heaven, Osvaldo!
> Christian
>
>
> "OSVALDO Y COCA CARTERY... Tengo una pregunta para Ustedes" por Pepa 
> Palazon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW33y6WcpyU
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE_iB6olh3w
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSXdkalcgM
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5eRb-gFOB8
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