[Tango-L] Men's strategies (3)

[Gordon Erlebacher]

Hi Sherrie,

I thought Steve was just sharing his experiences, rather than 
contradicting yours.

Of course, the lady's perspective is invaluable! No doubt since it is 
rare for any of us men
(at least me) to talk to the lady's and get their perspective, although 
I have had such
discussions with one of my female maestras in Buenos Aires whom I see 
once or twice a year.
I don't think that there is any idiom that will fit everybody. For 
example, if I cabaceo a lady,
who knows what she is really thinking or what leads her to dance. So 
your views are very
useful. But just as there are many viewpoints for the male, there are 
surely many viewpoints
for the females, wouldn't you agree. I have been told by one of my 
porteno friends who lives
in Bs.As. that there is much flirting going around at the Milongas and 
that many milongas are
meat markets. Sometimes what we westerner's see is seen through 
rose-colored filters.

In any case, keep your opinions coming Sherrie! I have noticed that when 
you write, vigorous
discussion often ensues, and I enjoy it.

       Gordon




On 6/18/11 2:31 PM, sherpal1 at aol.com wrote:
> Steve. it is so incredible how you guys give all this outpouring of
> support and appreciation for what other men tell you, but pretty much
> attack, deny and ignore what women tell you.  It seems to me that Nancy
> and I (although I do not know her) are pretty experienced in the realm
> of dancing in BA with some very  good milongueros, and yet you all
> hardly give a nod to our experiences and information.   It makes it all
> seem so one way and wooden.  Last time I was in BA, some guy whom I
> recognized from previous trips asked me to dance.  Seemed safe.  He
> thought I was argentine, I am not, he was from Seattle.  After he
> learned I was from the US. coupled with his bad lead that ran me into a
> table, and as he was leaning backward, taking me off my axis, and
> several of his pasos I could not execute because my weight was forward
> on him , he turned to me and said" your  dancing  is very heavy on me
> and your are hurting my recently opearated -on knee."  This crap only
> comes from foreigners who have no sense of themselves and I think have
> a really deep resentment towards women and they use their tango as a
> bludgeon against ladies that are non-argentines....can you imagine this
> guy saying such a thing to a Portena???? not me..  So, fellas, quit
> being so stuck on yourselves and listen to what the experienced women
> dancers have to say...it's far less incestuous and would be
> mind-expanding for you. sherrie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dubravko Kakarigi<dubravko_2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: Steve Littler<sl at stevelittler.com>; Tango-L List<tango-l at mit.edu>
> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2011 1:06 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men's strategies (3)
>
>
> Very nice write-up Steve. And, just in case anyone is questioning
> Steve's
> ability to remember all those details, I was sitting with him once or
> twice at a
> milonga - he was taking copious notes after every tanda and still
> managed to get
> the dances. Way to go Steve!
>   
> ===================================
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> this life is not a rehearsal
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>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Steve Littler<sl at stevelittler.com>
>> To: Tango-L List<tango-l at mit.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 9:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men's strategies (3)
>>
>> One time I met a formerly famous model/dancer/TV/Film personality (now
>> starting to age and wrinkle but still quite fit and attractive to an
>> ...
>>
>> Abrazos!
>>
>> El Stevito de Gainesville