[Tango-L] tango to rap

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Sharon 
American Rumba is danced to a rumba  beat. If you were two blocks away and 
couldn’t hear the music but could see the  dancers there is no doubt you 
would know they were doing a rumba.
I dance  very traditional tango. My feet are grounded to the floor I dance 
to the music  paying attention to the woman I’m dancing with. I’m not 
dancing for the audience  or trying to impress. I would say at any given milonga 
in  SoCal  you  might find 3 or 4 people dancing this way the rest are 
dancing what they believe  to be tango because it’s what they’ve been taught  or 
seen on You tube. I  have a lot of names for what I see going on out on the 
dance floor and  traditional tango is not one of them. So to answer the 
question……… In their  minds they are dancing tango in spite of the music. 
I went to the  alternative music milonga last year at the Seattle Tango 
Festival with a very  poor attitude because I’m such a tango snob. It wasn’t 
alternative tango music  it was rock and roll and jazz and such.
I ended up having a great time it  really was lots of fun dancing tango to 
Elvis and Elton. However if you were two  blocks away and you couldn’t hear 
the music but you could see the dancers you  would have seen one old geezer 
dancing tango and you’d still be trying to figure  out what the rest of the 
crowd was doing.
Regards
David


In a  message dated 4/12/2011 1:46:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
sharon.pedersen at gmail.com writes:
Let me turn the question around a bit,  then.  Is any movement to tango
music, tango dancing?  Or to count  as a tango, does the movement have
to have some particular characteristics,  as well as being done to
tango music?

If the latter, can those  characteristic ways of moving be used to
non-tango music?  Let's, for  the sake of argument, not call it tango
dancing since it's done to non-tango  music.  Would you be willing to
call it "dancing influenced by tango  dancing"?  Or is it just
completely not-tango, with no influence, no  relation, no connection?

I'm not arguing for my point of view here -- I  won't use your answers
against you to try to say "aha, you do agree with  me!"; rather I'm
trying to explore the various facets of relation and/or  borrowing of
music and movement.

Are there other dance forms that are  equally inseparable from their music?

__Sharon

On Tue, Apr 12,  2011 at 3:45 PM, JOHN WROBLEWSKI
<nrj.sparrow at prodigy.net>  wrote:
> Sharon, That is the
> exact point. As soon as you turn on  the sound..It is not tango. There is 
no seperatablitiy between the act of Tango  and the music of tango.
> --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Sharon Pedersen  <sharon.pedersen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Sharon  Pedersen <sharon.pedersen at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Tango-L]  tango to rap
>> To: "Tango-L" <tango-l at mit.edu>
>> Date:  Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 1:19 PM
>> I disagree.  I'm with Trini  on
>> the separability of names for the music and
>> the  movement.  If you turned the sound off on the
>> video and watched  it,
>> would it look like tango?  Well, then, to me,  it's
>> tango.  Of course, if it
>> doesn't look like  tango to you with the sound off, then
>> don't call it
>>  tango.  What does it look like to you, Anton, without
>> the  sound?
>>
>> __Sharon
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 12,  2011 at 1:02 PM, Anton Stanley <anton at alidas.com.au>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > I can accept the hypothesis that you can  dance any
>> type of step to tango
>> > music and  legitimately call it tango, but I can't
>> accept that dancing  the
>> > same steps to any other music, can be called tango.  I
>> believe that only if
>> > one accepts that there is no  generic tango music, can
>> dancing to non-tango
>> > music  be called tango.
>> >
>> > Anton
>>  >
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