[Tango-L] Respect

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Al at sgi  asked the question…. 

“Ah?  Styles exist to *specifically* disrupt the line of dance? In other
words,  they specifically mandate you should disrupt the line of dance?

If you  think it applies to any style that has received a label, I'd
like to see  documentary evidence of that stated aim ;).

I personally don't believe  it. Teachers and dancers may not have been
taught any awareness of the ronda,  but that doesn't mean their *style*
is danced specifically to disrupt the  line of dance. It's usually
(when danced in a social context) an unfortunate  by-product of what
they think is "important", of their teacher's teaching  style or of
the local culture, and in that way divorced from the actual  style.”


Hbboogie1 posted the documentary evidence for Al at sgi that  explains step by 
step how to disrupt the dance floor. 
I don’t know Gustavo  Naveira and have no disrespect for him. 
Thanks
HB

In a message  dated 10/6/2010 10:09:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
mnussbau at law.nyc.gov  writes:

Hbboogie sets up a phoney boogeyman in Gustavo by using a  truncated clip
excerpted from a performance, not a socail dance setting. That  whole
kung fu tanda link is either a satire or an outright lie and is pure  bee
es.  If you notice, the couples there are dancing on a raised stage.  I
have danced on the same social dance floor as Gustavo in boulder  and
never saw or felt any kung fu at any time, he was a much more  skillful
and respectful dancer than anyone else. Furthermore, those  occasions
would have been ones in which he would have had a motive to  "stretch
out" because he was loosening up for a later performance, yet his  dance
was always quiet and in the line of dance, no one was  physically
intimidated, mayeb emotionally so by the honor of dancing socailly  on
the same floor of such a craftsman. What's more, Gustavo never  claimed
to invent any new style, what they were seeking was a pedagogical  method
of analysis of tango structure, because the older milongueros were  not
so adept at explaining what it was they were doing. The strucutre of  the
dance created new possiblities in terms of expansion of concepts  that
were long used by tangueros of the past. There is nothing new under  the
sun, and there is no such thing as tango nuevo. Look at old clips  of
Edwardoa nd gloria arquimbo performing huge movements.  People in  their
youth do wild and crazy experimentation, and it's a normal and  healthy
process. I heard that even Gavito was fast and wild when young, and  only
in maturity settled on a more nuanced style.  I never saw or read  any
alleged "apology" by Gustavo of anything he taught or did, nor do  I
think any apology is warranted.  I did read in chicho's recent  article
an assumption of partial responibility for some people missing  the
essence of tango, but I also have taken many classes with him and  all
the other people to whom the so-called nuevo movement is attributed,  and
I take from them an emphasis on how to connect with a partner, how to  be
musical, how to lead with maximum efficiency.    The  problem isnt the
style, there has been stage tango around for a long time,  but in the
past people knew the difference between stage and socail dancing  and
were more respectful of the rhonda, now so many want to do stage  tango
on the dance floor it disrupts the flow. But I don't believe you  can
blame the teachers for teaching what the public demands. They have  to
eat.  You can blame the milonga hosts who allow "anything goes", to  be
all things to all people.  in the wish to attract as many attendees  as
possible. If anyone in any style is interfering with the enjoyment  of
others, really interfering, the hosts should have a conversation  with
that person.   

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