[Tango-L] Tango is Argentine

[AJ Azure]

If anything the sounds  hold their largest roots in Spain and Italy and then
in the middle east and India. Germany is by far the most removed of the
influences. You hear much more the gypsy and flamenco influence than you do
a  waltz or a polka.

 Take this from someone who has studied music and its' connected cultures
for 25 years and after all it is a music first and a dance second. By the
way my mother having grown up in Argentina, the girls were more likely to
learn flamenco than anything else. Spanish culture with an Italian twist is
the predominant cultural trait. They'd all be eating brat wurst and goose
stepping were this not the case.

Like in the US there are infleunces and then there are dominant roots.
Mediterranean roots Europe are the strongest in Argentina.


-Adriel



> From: bettina maria fahlbusch <bettinamaria7 at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:25:39 -0300
> To: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990 at hotmail.com>, Tango-L
> <Tango-L at mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango is Argentine
> 
> Sergio, I do not question that today Argentine Tango has its roots in
> Argentina. But I nevertheless want to point out that in those days,
> when the Tango originated, those "Argentines" were to the most part
> Immigrants, speaking all the nationalities that nowadays Argentineans
> seem proud to refer back to, Like Italy, Spain, Germany, Russia,
> Poland and so forth. They cam in those days Tango was born as well. In
> those days, this country was vastly empty and those foreigners were
> lured by the upper classes to come to Argentina. It was those people,
> mixed with elements they found in Argentina (the rhythm of the Blacks,
> the knife fight elements in the steps of the gauchos etc),
> 
> What I do think is important - VERY important - is to acknowledge the
> 50% female element. What makes tango so sensual? What makes it
> passionate? Certainly not the gauchos and compadritos that initially
> danced together. To say that those women just "danced with their
> clients" is an understatement I would say that certainly makes up 50%
> of the elements that developed in Tango.
> 
> Sorry about saying "string" I simply mixed up the word as a foreigner,
> certainly it is not a string element, but I do insist those sounds
> originated in Germany, not in Argentina . . .
> :-)
> 
> What is interesting today, as a foreigner, living in Argentina, is the
> ongoing conversation ain Argentineans referrig back to the fact of a
> massive European heritage that makes them different from the rest of
> Southamerica. Like the fact Buenos Aires likes to refer to itself to
> the "paris from the South" which I think in reality is a far cry away
> from the real Paris. So if there is pride fr sure to be had about such
> beautiful vast land as Argentina, then really own that what is truly
> Argentinean and not European. Finally, the Tango only became accepted
> in Argentina, once it scored success and reputation  in the upper
> class Salons in Berlin, Paris and London . ..  shown by the rich boys
> who again learned it in the Bordellos WITH the European women . . . so
> it is not all and only that Argentine, is it?
> 
> Sergio:
>> "The compadritos were Argentines, born on Argentine soil.  The women in the
>> bordellos where French, Polish, Argentine, etc, but they did not create the
>> tango. They danced with their clients.
>> 
>> Argentina is a melting pot, their ancestors arrived from all over the world
>> but their children were born on Argentine soil and nurtured by a distinct
>> and strong Argentine Culture, which is different from any other.
> 
>> Argentines do not miss any identity, they are distinct and proud of who they
>> are."
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