[Tango-L] How tango evolves

[Nina Pesochinsky]

If other cultures insist on taking credit for transforming and 
evolving tango, they should stop calling it "Argentine" and call it 
something else instead, like "no longer Argentine tango", or 
something like that.

The ballroom dancers that took tango, cleaned it up and made it their 
own at least had the decency to be honest about it and gave it its 
own name - American or European tango, instead of claiming that it 
continues to be Argentine tango, only  new and improved.

Maybe Argentine tango can be distinguished in all of its 
manifestations by labeling the version - do you dance Argentine tango 
1.0 (tango antiguo) or 10.1 (never been to Argentina ) version? :)

Nina


At 12:01 AM 11/25/2008, Vince Bagusauskas wrote:


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tango Society of Central Illinois [mailto:tango.society at gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 5:14 PM
>To: Vince Bagusauskas
>Cc: patangos at yahoo.com; Tango-L
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves
>
>On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Vince Bagusauskas <vytis at hotmail.com>
>wrote:
> > I would add:
> >
> > Changes in culture in Argentina itself
>
> >Please be specific. Tango social dance culture has had incredibly
>consistency over time.
>
>
>Disagree. Fact the culture of Argentina has changed, therefore that will
>have an influence on how tango is danced.
>
>
>
> > Tango spreading across the world to non-Argentinean cultures
>
> >Affects part of Argentine tango culture that caters to tourists, much
>less so that part of tango culture that attracts porten~os.
>
>Not all tango dancers are tourists and/or have been to BA.  Therefore how
>tango is danced in that culture is a reflection of that culture.
>
>
> > A younger audience who don't dance to grandmas music (a quote from real
> > Argentineans)
>
> >How many of these are there? Maybe the ones who don't dance tango,
>
>
>I have spoken to young Argentininas who have danced tango since they are
>babies (virtually) and go to many milongas in BA and see how the youngers
>dance, dress and behave.
>
>
> >instead dance salsa. Even nuevo dancers in or from Buenos Aires dance
>mostly to traditional (30s-50s) tango music.
>
>But not in all cultures!  See above.
>
>
> > -whether reinterpretation of the classics
> > -nuevo
>
> >Danced mainly in Villa Malcolm, Practica X.
>
>Your point?  This would never have been done in the Golden Age.  So the
>influence of this will have an impact.
>
>
> > Women wanting to lead
> > Gay tango
>
> >Yes, in gay milongas (La Marshal the only one to persist). Same sex
>partners or sex reversed partners are almost non-existent in Buenos
>Aires outside gay milongas.
>
>So?   Happens a lot in other cultures.
>
>
> >Most of these changes in tango are occurring outside Argentina, where
>dancers modify tango to their own cultural norms. At some point of
>change, it is no longer Argentine tango.
>
>
>Your desire is that real Argentinian Tango must be rooted in the Golden Age.
>The point of this post is has tango evolved?
>
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