At 09:27 PM 4/29/2008, Mario wrote: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXP45OLZbQ >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdbpjesqFpI >the first is a demo in mostly close embrace the second is a practica >in apilado ... The first is mostly open embrace, the second is mostly close embrace -- definitely NOT apilado. Marty