[Tango-L] gender imbalance

[David]

Astrid,

I didn't twist anything.  You were the one that used the word "preying", which implied there was something wrong with what they were doing (dancing with beginners).  BTW, you still haven't answered how you determined they are preying (are these beginners followers upset that people want to dance with them)?

As for getting the men to improve, you are the one whining about it.  Thus I suggested that you might consider doing something about it.  I couldn't care less if they improve or not.  These "mediocre" men have found others to dance with, and seem to be perfectly happy.  It would appear, they don't see any value in doing what is needed to dance with you.  

IMO, if you keep doing what you've been doing, you're going to keep getting what you've got.  

David


---- Astrid <astrid at ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote: 
> > I'm curious how you determined that people who dance with beginners are 
> > "preying" on them?  Is there something wrong with dancing with beginners? 
> > I don't know if this was your intent, but you come across as being upset 
> > that people are dancing with beginners.
> 
> Whatever one writes on this list, there will always be somebody who finds a 
> way to twist your words. I never said that tehre is sometihng wrong with 
> dancing with beginners. I also wrote how happy I am when I happen to 
> discover a talented beginner among the men. Note: the accent is on 
> "talented", not on "beginner".
> >
> > Rather than simply blaming these men that you appear to have such disdain 
> > for, maybe you might consider what you could do differently so that they 
> > might prefer to dance with you.  Maybe then, you could influence them to 
> > improve.
> 
> Sure, blame it all on the women, David. It is our responsibility to make you 
> guys improve, yes?
> 
> My whole point in what I wrote in the posting you are referring to was that 
> some of the perpetual intermediates among the men are using the easily 
> impressed beginners as an escape way from having to get better in order to 
> receive more respect from the advanced women. Rather than working on their 
> skills, they find the easy way out: do not get better, just find partners 
> who are even worse than you so that you can impress them with your 
> unchanging mediocrity. There will always be some new beginners who do not 
> know you yet...
> 
>   The really good dancers may offer suggestions (and usually only when I ask 
> for them), but they are very positive and encouraging (ie. they also give 
> compliments).
> 
> Of course they do. Unless you try to patronise them.
> 
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