[Tango-L] Smoke in BA is not tango related?!

[Nina Pesochinsky]

Floyd,

The smoke in BsAs IS TANGO RELATED!  Those of us with a profound 
connection to Argentina have close friends there.  There are also 
many old dancers that we know, whose health is greatly affected by 
these conditions.  It is not important who is to blame.  The fact is 
that the smoke is there and the people are suffering.

None of us can do anything to help the people we care about.  I don't 
know what this smoke will do to our friends there, especially those 
who are old.  The older dancers are dissappearing already.  Because I 
currently do not live in BsAs, every time I go, I learn about the 
deaths of old dancers whom I knew and was very fond of.  After this, 
who knows what and who we will find?!

The smoke is the human aspect of tango.  This is the world of those 
who live in Buenos Aires.  People who wrote about it on the list, are 
not only affected themselves, but also care greatly about what 
happens.  I am happy to hear what they have to say.

Without considering the human aspect of tango, any discussion about 
tango is idiotic.

NIna


At 01:00 PM 4/20/2008, Floyd Baker wrote:


>Right now I consider this *entire* subject with it's various threads
>to be off topic., and I'm sorry I entered into it.  It is all to do
>with smoke, and not about Tango.
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>Beyond that., it is very unfortunate for all the victims and terrible
>conditions that you say exist.   I do understand that., and I feel for
>those who are suffering.
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>Here is my private response to your private email.  The one not
>addressed to Tango-L   Both of which are identical afai can see.
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>Deby..
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>To me it was a 'possiblity'.   I have not been there nor know the
>farmer's standard of living.   So, I believe my statement was put in
>the manner of a question...?  If anyone knew what their
>standard of living was.
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>You seem to know.  Fine. They're millonairs   ;-/   No difference!
>
>Money still rules, eh?   If not the lightning, or the kids, or
>'starving' farmers.., then people will still do what it takes to get
>things done to suit themselves.
>
>I would say that a 16 percent increase IS excessive.   No matter they
>can 'afford' it.   Perhaps the government should help to increase
>production and export, instead of charging more for what is *already*
>being done.
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>Grasslands exist all over the country.   I'm sure there would be no
>problem growing soy somewhere other than upwind of the city.., right?
>And it could be mandated..?   So what is the 'real' problem.  And will
>it continue to happen?
>
>Can anyone give a Tango related solution?
>
>Abrazos...
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>Floyd
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>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:57:02 -0300, you wrote:
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> >I am sorry Floyd but you have no clue. You should read a little more
> >before you state an opinion that is completely ignorant.  The farmers
> >here are some of the richest people in the country.  They have a 
> very high standard
> >of living.  Agribusiness came to Argentina during the crisis. There are
> >very few small farms left, just like in the U.S.  The difference here is
> >that we have stricter controls over the use of hormones, feed, and
> >genetic engineering.
> >
> >My friend from Texas owns 3 ranches here with his Argentine partners.
> >He is not the exception.  Talk to anyone from Argentina and they will
> >tell you that the money is with farming now.  The guys that set the
> >fires are millionaires.  They were clearing the land to plant more soy.
> >These were grasslands used to feed cattle. These are the same people who
> >last month were protesting the 16% increase on soy export taxes as being
> >unfair.  My friend who is the attorney for one of the provinces said
> >the 16% tax to them is nothing compared to the huge profits they reap.
> >They protested to try and make the president look bad for the tax, and
> >it backfired on them.
> >
> >This situation with the grasslands was a horror story.  You could not
> >see more than 100 meters in front of you.  All major highways were
> >closed.  The subte was closed down.  This was a crisis due to the 
> greed and stupidity
> >of a few people.  There have been over 100 arrested and 3 people 
> so far are being charged.
> >
> >Hospitals were overflowing with people who were asthmatics that 
> could not breathe.  The carbon monoxide was
> >causing us to be eternally tired and they were very fearful of the 
> levels.  My plants on my
> >17th floor balcony were dying.  I was part of the horrendous fire 
> that was in Oakland California in
> >1991 that was considered one of the worst wildfires in the history 
> of the U.S.  It did not even come
> >close to what was happening here.
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