[Tango-L] North American tango orchestras/bands

[AJ Azure]

> Disclaimer:
> 
> For what it's worth I am a DJ.  I started DJing in self defense,
> because I hate dancing to any old random crap that gets sent out
> of a speaker.

Not much since a DJ doesn't have a musical education and does not comprehend
presenting nor arranging live music..
Isn't interesting that the least musically capable are the first to step up
to criticizer and in no competent way? It's been said before and warrants
being said again, if you want live music to improve, help it don't slam it.
The below post is pretty much rude and lacking in basic conceptualization of
what it takes to actually play live music. Try it for a day then criticize.
Now if you want to make helpful suggestions, more power to you but, save the
prick-like commentary because, it doesn't make musicians want to listen to
you.

Trust me on this a small community such as this needs cultivating of live
music NOT free market system. The main reason is that there is not enough in
the way of resources nor musicians.

_A
> 
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 19:46:41 -0500, "burak ozkosem"
> <buraktango at gmail.com> said:
> <snipped>
>> 
>> Hopefully the number of Tango bands will increase exponentially in
>> near future via increasing supports from Tango organizers in their
>> local communities.
> 
> Um, when they're as danceable as Golden Age music, sure.
> 
>> Some might get upset but I'd rather buy Tango Album of a musician
>> who is alive, because these musicians will determine the future
>> of Tango Music.
> 
> Unless they get their act together, there will be no future to
> tango music.  I have yet to hear a tango group in the US that's
> truly adequate for dancing the way Golden Age orchestras were.
> 
> At this point, the problems are manifold:
> 
> -- Adaptations of non-tango music that meander along and
>    never seem to go anywhere, sort of a "Philip Glass
>    Does Tango" effect.
> -- lack of rhythmic drive (sorry, drum loops don't count)
> -- use of rhythmic devices like breaks or submerging the
>    beat, without giving a signal to the dancers that lets
>    them pick up on what's coming.
> -- Most of their music is waaaay too laid back, lacking
>    even the signs that something intense may be going on
>    under the surface.
> 
> Many are getting better, but none of them are on the same level
> with the Golden Age stuff (yet).  Let me be more specific about
> that: If they were magically transported back to BA in the 1940
> compared to Golden Age formations, most of them would have to
> fight for a chance to play in the corner cafe for _free_.
> 
>> Therefore, I would suggest instructors to create awareness
>> about "fresh tango music" among their students.  Then dancers
>> will start buying these albums, and they will start asking
>> Djs if they can play some songs.
> 
> Some people will dance to anything.  That's OK the same way
> the fact that some people will sleep with anyone is ... the
> lack of standards/boundaries is permissible, but not all
> that acceptable, and a big red flag indicating possible
> brokenness some place.
> 
>> So, this would - hopefully - trigger Dj to look for new
>> music choices addition to golden tunes that every dj play.
>> Of course this chain reaction would create a new market
>> for tango musicians who makes music for dancing as well.
> 
> I would suggest another route to getting, new danceable music,
> instead of a welfare system ... the Free Market way.
> 
> Sit down and listen politely to live music.  When they ask you
> why you aren't dancing to the nice music, tell them what's
> missing in the music that causes you to stay in your seat.  If
> a band's been around for a while and don't start moving in the
> direction of danceability, stop going to their events.  When a
> milonga promoter ask you why you didn't come to that last event
> with the nice live band, tell the promoter, "Their music sucks
> for dancing, and I go to a milonga to dance."  If their music
> is actually good listening despite being bad for dancing, you
> can add, "When is their next concert, by the way?"
> 
> Given an atmosphere where tango groups have to prove themselves
> worthy of support, I would hope that a few musicians do become
> successful and can show the rest how it's done. It's not nice,
> it's terribly Darwinian, but I'm tired of musicians who don't
> want feedback from dancers about what is and isn't danceable.
> 
> Christopher
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