[Tango-L] Tango Teaching

Fri May 11 18:27:37 EDT 2007

Hi Steve,

Actually, one normally tests for things that are
"significantly different" rather than looking for sameness.
 One experienced in data analysis can also convert
qualitative data into quantitative data for testing
purposes, which was part of my job in a previous "life". 
But I don't think most on the List is terribly interested
learning about data manipulation.  

Wish I had the time to analyze Clay's Nelson's data on his
recent survey and break it down further.  It was nice of
him to provide the raw data, though I haven't looked
through it, yet.  If someone else is interested in taking a
shot at it, the data is at
http://www.claysdancestudio.com/Surveys/Surveys.htm?u=970593730949

Trini de Pittsburgh

--- steve pastor <tang0man2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The use of the term "statistically significant" caught my
> eye, too. Based on my limited knowledge, "statistically
> significant" refers to data sets which are being
> evaluated for 
>   sameness. This involves quantative, rather than
> qualitative data, and the generation
>   of a test statistic, etc. 
>   I think we all knew what was meant by the use of the
> term, but your words 
>   "with a reasonable degree of confidence" would have
> been more appropriate.
>   Respectfully,
>   Steve
> 
> 
> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Hello Chris,
> 
> Trini, here. Since your grasp of statistical concepts
> appears limited, you may be interested in knowing that
> qualitative information (such as what Sean has gathered
> for
> well over 6 years) is often reliable enough to suggest
> findings with a reasonable degree of confidence.
> Certainly
> high enough to suggest actionable policies or strategies.
> 
> And your measurements for defining level of savvyness of
> Brits and methods of data gathering for how they spend
> their time over their tango lives is ...? 
> 
> Also, you should be aware that there are 4 other tango
> organizations in town with their own schedules (not
> counting the 2 local tango bands, who only do milongas). 
> Milongas are often coordinated with nearby cities. So
> last
> week, for example, folks went to 3 milongas in two
> cities,
> and could choose between 2 beginner classes, 1
> intermediate
> class, 1 intermediate/adv. class, 1 kids class and 3
> practicas. I'm not sure where you're getting 20 classes
> and 1 milonga.
> 
> That aside, Chris, I've never been able to figure out why
> it matters to you how people choose to spend their time,
> whether in milonga or in a class? Doesn't it all just
> mean
> that tango is being shared and enjoyed? Isn't that the
> point? So what's the problem?
> 
> Trini de Pittsburgh
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Chris, UK" wrote:
> 
> > > May I suggest that you invest in a simple logic
> > textbook?
> > > I have discussed tango pedagogy with a statistically
> > significant
> > > number of US teachers
> > 
> > Ah, a sample heavily biased towards those who discuss
> > it...
> > 
> > Sean, may I suggest you invest in a simple statistics
> > textbook? ;)
> > 
> > >>> or Brits are less savy consumers than Yanks.
> > 
> > Well, certainly it is the less savvy Brits who are
> > consuming the classes. 
> > The more savvy prefer to spend their tango time in
> > milongas.
> > 
> > However I accept things are different on your side of
> the
> > pond. For 
> > example I see your current Pittsburgh tango society
> > agenda offers about 20 
> > classes and 1 milonga. Clearly over there class
> > consumption is all the rage.
> > 
> > I wonder what you'd make of the scene here in Europe
> > Sean. One day I'd 
> > like to take you to the half-dozen most popular
> milongas
> > in one of our 
> > tango capitals. The number of them that run tango
> classes
> > is... zero.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > 
> > *Subject:* Re: [Tango-L] Tango Teaching
> > *From:* "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" 
> 
> > *To:* Tango-L 
> > *Date:* Wed, 9 May 2007 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> > No Chris, whatever gave you the idea that I took
> lessons
> > from most teachers in the US? May I suggest that you
> > invest
> > in a simple logic textbook?
> > 
> > I have discussed tango pedagogy with a statistically
> > significant number of US teachers, most of whom were
> > either
> > teachers or students in the late 1990s. The gradual
> > evolution from teaching steps to teaching dance almost
> > always comes up in these discussions, given my personal
> > history of railing against step pattern teachers a few
> > years ago. I am very confident in the accuracy of my
> > analysis.
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > --- "Chris, UK" wrote:
> > 
> > > Coo... you took lessons from most teachers in the
> US??
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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