[Tango-L] Molinetes

[Tango Tango]

'Molinete' is the term Americans use for a turn. Americans trained by
Americans think this is the Argentinean term for a turn.

All Argentineans say 'giro' unless they are teachers who are used to working
with Americans and may use the term when they are speaking to them.

Neil

On 3/16/07, Dubravko Kakarigi <dubravko_2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think the "jury is out" on this distinction. I have recently adopted the
> following distinction which works when I talk with those I practice with.
>
> I use term "molinete" to describe the sequence where the man rotates and
> the woman "circles," and "giro" for the sequence where both the man and the
> woman "circle."
>
> In case of a "molinete," the common axes of rotation usually coincides
> with man's stationary leg and that side of his body (right side if the
> molinete is on his left, and left if it is on his right); although, it may
> move from his right to his left depending on sort of movement he makes with
> his "free" leg and how close the woman is "circling.".
>
> In case of a "giro," the common axes of rotation is between the two and
> they both circle around it. Both partners circle in the same direction,
> although the  distance between them may very quite a bit at different point
> of rotation..
>
> In both cases, "circling" is done using some form of "grapevine"
> (back-side-forward-side) sequence. In case of a giro, both can use the same
> sequence in the same time or they may use it in "out-of-phase" fashion.
>
> (I use term "man" for the partner who initiates the sequence and
> "woman" for the partner who chooses to respond, so these roles can
> dynamically change at just about any time.)
>
> Of course, there are numerous variations on the theme and various
> combinations of the two which makes the whole thing so rich and open to
> creativity.
>
> ...dubravko
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "lgmoseley at aol.com" <lgmoseley at aol.com>
> To: tango-l at mit.edu
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:27:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Molinetes
>
>   I had understood that
>
> 1. A giro used the basic combination of forward-side-behind-side, although
> not always in that order. For example, you can have
> side-behind-side-forward, and so on. The important point is that on the
> behind step the lady swivels away from the man, and if necessary the man
> will lead just that
>
> 2. By contrast, the molinete involves the lady in walking round the man
> with no such swivel away from the man i.e.
> forward-forward-forward-forward, albeit on a circular track. It certainly
> feels like a pepper mill in action, which fits with the name.
>
> Both can be done at a variety of speeds and with a variety of rhythms.
>
> Is that just a local distinction which we draw here in the Forest, or is
> it a widely shared one? They are clearly very different figures and have
> very different characters and 'feels'.
>
> Brazos
>
> Laurence Moseley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dnovitz at lavidacondeby.com
> To: tango-l at mit.edu
> Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 4.43PM
> Subject: [Tango-L] Molinetes
>
>   Well Miles, because here in Buenos Aires we call them giros...not
>
> molinetes.  The teachers here teach 3 steps - caminata, giros, ochos.
>
>
>
>
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