[Tango-L] Nina... you are funny :)

Wed Jul 18 16:24:21 EDT 2007

Ok...  Nina,

You are a living example that Tango transcends the
boundaries of
'Argentiness'.  I quick Google search show that you
are a very successful
and talented RUSSIAN tanguera.  See
http://tangoledanza.com/aboutus.aspx

Proof that one does not need to be Argentine to be a
master.  Hopefully one
day we can tango together ;)  If you dance as well as
you flame I am in for
a night of fun !!!

Abrazos,
Amaury

-----Original Message-----
From: tango-l-bounces at mit.edu
[mailto:tango-l-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Nina Pesochinsky
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:12 PM
To: tango-l at mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Class tango dancers....

Miles,  don't read this!  It is totally uncivilized!

I am on my knees begging forgiveness of all the
well-educated, 
well-informed, super sensitive, delicate beings on
this list who do 
not bother to contribute to the world of tango
knowledge except when 
mortally offended.

And I take full credit for making people like Amaury
so outraged that 
their little voices are finally heard roaring
defending the history, 
the great maestros, and the glorious history of tango
and its 
rhythms!  And they manage to offend most Argentines by
claiming that 
tango is not an Argentine product!  Such gorgeous
idealism and 
ignorance makes me misty...

Hey folks, in case those of you who have been dancing
for a decade or 
two do not know, Argentine Tango is European!

You go, Amaury!  I am cheering you on!

Nina
Arrogant, abnoxious and bored-to-tears

P.S. Universal art form?!  I swear that these greedy
foreigners just 
want to make my Argentine Tango their own!

At 06:44 PM 7/17/2007, Amaury de Siqueira wrote:

>Of all postings to this list this posting by Nina is
>the most nonsensical
>and offensive.
>
>Nina is not only arrogant but also misinformed about
>the history of the
>dance.  Little does she know about the history of the
>dance.  That the
>Argentines on the turn of the last century condemned
>Tango (and disowning
>it)and the French welcomed with open arms.   That the
>Tango is not an
>Argentine product, but the product of fusion between
>afro-Caribbean and
>European rhythms.   That in an era of increasing
>global awareness any claims
>to sole cultural ownership over any practice is silly
>and infantile.
>
>Nina statement is a disservice to all of the great
>masters.  It is a
>disservice to all of the hard working folks
attempting
>to promote tango as
>an universal art form.
>
>Cheers,
>Amaury
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tango-l-bounces at mit.edu
>[mailto:tango-l-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of
>Clif Davis
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:21 PM
>To: tango-l at mit.edu
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Class tango dancers....
>
>
>Ummmm, let me see how I can reply to this.... ...
>B.... S....
>I can't remember where I have seen more arrogance
than
>on this list.
>And people say people from the US are arrogant. We
>have a long way to go to
>catch up with this steaming pile.
>
>Oops, sorry, was that arrogant?
>CAD3
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tango-l-bounces at mit.edu
>[mailto:tango-l-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of
>Nina Pesochinsky
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:15 PM
>To: tango-l at mit.edu
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Class tango dancers....
>
>Deby,
>
>I just want to clarify that we are not talking about
>the same
>things.  You are talking about Brazil, Mexico, San
>Francisco, i.e.
>places that belong to the world.
>
>I am talking about the world of Argentine tango.  The
>world of
>Argentine tango begins and ends in Argentina.  If it
>exits, it
>becomes some other world, like the geographic world.
>The geographic
>world-class is too low of a standard of dancing.  The
>Argentine
>world-class is the real thing.
>
>So, in terms of the world-class dancer, with the
world
>beginning and
>ending in Argentina, no other geographic place can
>produce one.
>
>So one can go to Argentina, into the world of tango
>that is, and try
>to become a world-class dancer there even if they
were
>not born
>Argentine.  And it still will not happen because of
>that tiny blemish
>of the wrong origin.
>
>The bottom line is that in order to be considered a
>true world-class
>dancer, one must be hailed to be so by the Argentines
>themselves.  And if you are not Argneitne, that will
>never
>happen.  Argentines are fanatical nationalists.
>
>Warmest regards,
>
>Nina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 05:38 PM 7/17/2007, Deby Novitz wrote:
> >Nino wrote:
> >
> >If you are not Argentine, you cannot be a
world-class
>tango
> >dancer and might as well forget about it because
the
>world of tango,
> >with all the "classy" dancing,  begins and ends in
>Argentina.:)  This
> >is an absolute.
> >
> >
> >Well Nina, you might want to rethink what you have
>written.  Junior
> >Cervila,  he is in my opinion an excellent dancer
and
> >from..........Brasil.  The same for Paulo Araujo. 
In
>NYC there is Angel
> >Clemente Garcia, one of the best ..... and a
Mexican.
>  There are people
> >from other places as well that are wonderful
dancers.
> >
> >I have been dragged and pushed around the floor
like
>a dust mop by
> >several Argentine name brands who without a
>choreographed dance could
> >not lead their way out of a dark cave with 1000 lit
>torches.  There are
> >many Argentines who cannot dance gracefully or
>elegantly.  Sometimes I
> >watch them and I cannot for the life of me figure
out
>what people think
> >is so great about them other than they speak
English,
>charge lots of
> >money, and are arrogant, therefore, they must be
>good.
> >
> >Now another myth....there are not a million wonder
>dancers here.  It is
> >all relative.  When I came here in 2000 I thought
>each and everyone of
> >them was wonderful, incredible.  I marveled at what
I
>thought was
> >dancing to the music.  Now I live and dance here
and
>I can tell you,
> >that here is no better here than there.  (Wherever
>there is) There are
> >maybe less than 10 men I want to dance with.  Here
is
>the
> >difference...we have more dancers, more places to
>dance.  So it might
> >seem like there are lots more good dancers.  It is
>all relative.  If you
> >live in Iowa then San Francisco seems like Mecca. 
I
>lived in San
> >Francisco and as I commuted to Buenos Aires, San
>Francisco did not seem
> >much like Mecca to me.  The percentages of good
>dancers "should" be
> >higher when there are more dancers....because there
>are more dancers.
> >
> >Dancing with bad dancers.  I don't do it.  Not
>knowingly.  The best
> >dancers here male and female sit until they want to
>dance.  When the
> >music is right, when there is someone to dance
with.
>Once this
> >gentleman I know came into the milonga. He came to
>get me to dance to a
> >tanda.  He told me that I was going to be his only
>tanda of the evening
> >and then he was going to leave.  His reason was the
>women left him
> >uninspired.  Maybe this sounds harsh, but this is
not
>unusual here.  One
> >night we went to 3 milongas because we as women
were
>uninspired.  We
> >were trying to find out where the men were to dance
>with.  We ended up
> >drinking champagne in Gricel.
> >
> >What happens when I accept a dance with a man who
is
>not that good.    I
> >dance with him if he is a nice guy.  It is not his
>fault we both made a
> >mistake.  If he is completely undanceable, at least
>for me.  I have no
> >choice but to end the dance.  To walk off the floor
>here is an insult to
> >one of the parties.  Usually it is a verguenza for
>the man, not me.
> >Here you need to earn the right to walk off the
>floor.  I can do it, but
> >I do not like to.  Not unless the man is a total
>jerk, or he is hurting
> >me with his horrible dancing.  How do I dance with
>them?  I concentrate
> >very hard on my balance and axis to stay upright,
and
>many times I have
> >to look at the floor because there is no lead. 
Even
>more so I do not
> >dance close embrace if the dancer is really poor.
>Then I would really
> >be dragged around.  If the man is from the U.S. and
>used to dancing
> >patterns, I have to watch his feet.  I no longer
live
>in the U.S. and
> >therefore do not know what patterns are now being
>taught, so I have to
> >figure out the steps before they happen.
> >
> >The point is that tango is tango.
> >
> >
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