[Tango-L] Women's technique

[Konstantin Zahariev]

I am not sure what is it with the two of you (some deep personal
history I do not care to know the details of), but these personal
insults you hurl at each other are obviously distracting from the
discussion.

Even if what I say turns out to be more accurate, I don't see how this
implies anything terrible about whoever held a less accurate position.
Aren't we all students in life, for life, and always happy to add more
knowledge or refine or correct whatever we have accumulated so far?

Konstantin
Victoria, Canada


On 7/16/07, Keith <keith at tangohk.com> wrote:
>  Hi Konstantin,
>
>  Great reply. I hope Sean gets the message, but I doubt it. He'll probably be teaching all that stuff in your final paragraph in
>  his next beginner class :-).
>
>  Keith, HK
>
>
>  On Tue Jul 17  9:44 , "Konstantin Zahariev"  sent:
>
> >On 7/16/07, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patangos at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >[...]
> >> Keith's error is in thinking and teaching that
> >> disassociation is created when "you twist at the waist".
> >> Movement of the body occurs at joints. There is no waist
> >> joint. Disassociation of the hips and ribs is only possible
> >> by twisting the spine, particularly the lumbar spine. This
> >> is not a pointless semantic distinction. When you think of
> >> twisting the spine instead of the waist, it becomes
> >> immediately apparent that creating tension in the back is
> >> counterproductive.
> >
> >
> >It may be better to _say_ it that way if it invokes the appropriate
> >muscles as an intuitive response (don't know if this is true or not
> >but I can take your word for it). However you are not really
> >spine-twisting to dissociate. There is no waist joint, true, but there
> >are specific muscles that generally go between your hips and your
> >ribcage and accomplish the twisting by contraction.
> >
> >My understanding is that if you twist only your upper body so that
> >your right shoulder rotates forward and to the left (from your POV),
> >or, equivalently, when you twist only your lower body so that your
> >left knee/leg rotates forward and to the right, you involve mainly the
> >right external oblique, the left internal oblique, and to a smaller
> >degree the rectus abdominis and the left spinal erectors. So the main
> >movers are nowhere near the spine, and the spine errectors do not
> >twist it, even though the spine may get a twist in it as a
> >_consequence_ of the contraction of the obliques.
> >
> >With best regards,
> >
> >Konstantin
> >Victoria, Canada
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