[Tango-L] "Alternative" Music....

Fri Feb 23 15:17:26 EST 2007

Hi Nina, Kat, and everybody else!

It's interesting to see the "alternative tango" discussion bocome a topic. 
Personally, I don't have a problem with people dancing in anyway they like 
to any muisc they want. However, like Nina I strenuously object to labeling 
it as Argentine Tango or even just tango. For me the real tango (yes, there 
is a real, genuine tango) is a wonderful thing. The music is inextricably 
joined to the dance. IMHO, Argentine tango is a very specific dance done to 
very specific music. I love the music, I love the lyrics and the melodies. 
Sure, I can perform practically all the tango steps very rhythmically to a 
variety of musical genres (oddly enough, the so called neo-tango or the most 
commonly played alternative music is the least appropriate for traditional 
tango steps). One can easily do half turns to the left and right, ocho 
cortado and other tango steps to the rhythm of Bachata and Salsa. The 
problem for me is that the whole flavor of the tango is missing along with 
the tango music.

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>From: Nina Pesochinsky <nina at earthnet.net>
>To: tango-l at mit.edu
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Alternative" Music....
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:56:06 -0700
>
>Hi, Kat,
>
>No problem!  Dance to whatever you want, however you want.  Just do
>not call it Argentine Tango, because if you do, you insult the music,
>the culture, the Argentine dancers who have created and evolved the
>dance and everyone who actually understands, respects, honors and
>dances the Argentine Tango.
>
>You can be rude all you want and reel in your own subjective art form.
>Argentine Tango has a legacy and is based on respect of its history,
>music and its people.
>
>Ignorant foreigners who decide to recreate their own version and still
>call it Argentine Tango are liars in words and in dance.
>
>Best,
>
>Nina
>
>
>
>Quoting Kat <hellkat_13 at yahoo.com>:
>
> > Nina,
> >
> > I am sorry, but people speaking in absolutes about
> > alternative tango music, women leading, etc, always
> > gets me.  I have similar impulse control problems.
> >
> > Who died and made you arbiter of what is and is not
> > tango?  I really don't care if Gardel visited you from
> > the grave and gave you a tablet with The Rules, it's a
> > freaking dance.  An entirely subjective art form.  It
> > is whatever people make it, and whatever people mutate
> > it to be over time.  If it hadn't already mutated, it
> > never would have come into being, started
> > incorporating milonga or vals, or adding additional
> > steps.  What you're insisting is like demanding that
> > we only speak Latin.  You tango purists sound like
> > religious fundamentalists.  It's just not practical,
> > and to me, it comes off as snobby and narrow minded.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > --- Nina Pesochinsky <nina at earthnet.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, Miles, Trini, and everyone,
> >>
> >> I am sorry, but the discussion about the
> >> "alternative" music always
> >> gets me and I can't not get into it.  Serious
> >> impulse control problems!
> >>
> >> Alternative music for tango is an invention of
> >> feverish foreign
> >> (non-Argentine) minds.  Tango is a dance that is
> >> danced 2x4.  But if
> >> you dance it to anything other tango music, meaning
> >> tango music that
> >> is POLYPHONIC is its formation, it is NOT tango, but
> >> some other dance,
> >> originated outside of Argentina, that is only based
> >> on Argentine Tango
> >> moves.
> >>
> >> If you ask Argentines what they consider to be
> >> "alternative" tango
> >> music, some who think of music will say "Piazzolla".
> >>  Others who think
> >> lyrics will name singers and songs from Rock
> >> Nacional genre, because
> >> those lyrics are just like las letras de tango.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Nina
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)"
> >> <patangos at yahoo.com>:
> >>
> >> > Hi Miles,
> >> >
> >> > Sharna Fabiano wrote an article about NeoTango
> >> that you
> >> > might find interesting.
> >> > http://www.sharnafabiano.com/
> >> >
> >> > Trini de Pittsburgh
> >> >
> >> > --- m i l e s <miles at tangobliss.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> When I hear the term..."Alternative Music" what
> >> goes
> >> >> through my mind
> >> >> is a series of songs that you wouldn't ordinarily
> >> dance
> >> >> tango, vals
> >> >> or milonga to...but you can, if you stretch your
> >> mind a
> >> >> bit...and
> >> >> hear the beat, the rhythm, the opportunities...
> >> >>
> >> >> Take for instance Sade's - No Ordinary Love.
> >> Amazing
> >> >> song to dance
> >> >> tango to by the way.... Or James Taylor's - The
> >> Water is
> >> >> Wide, or the
> >> >> ubiquitous, Norah Jones's - The Nearness of
> >> You....  All
> >> >> amazing
> >> >> songs that are so danceable and perfect for
> >> Tango....
> >> >>
> >> >> So am I wrong in thinking that this is
> >> 'alternative'
> >> >> music or is
> >> >> there perhaps another meaning....
> >> >>
> >> >> One that springs to mind is 'alternate' songs by
> >> other
> >> >> orchestras
> >> >> doing classic or golden age tunes....???
> >> >>
> >> >> Or another is something to Gotan Project, or
> >> NarcoTango
> >> >> or,
> >> >> BalaTango....?
> >> >>
> >> >> Can anyone enlighten ?
> >> >>
> >> >> M i l e s.
> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> >> > Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> >> most popular social dance.
> >> > http://patangos.home.comcast.net/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)"
> >> <patangos at yahoo.com>:
> >>
> >> > Hi Miles,
> >> >
> >> > Sharna Fabiano wrote an article about NeoTango
> >> that you
> >> > might find interesting.
> >> > http://www.sharnafabiano.com/
> >> >
> >> > Trini de Pittsburgh
> >> >
> >> > --- m i l e s <miles at tangobliss.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> When I hear the term..."Alternative Music" what
> >> goes
> >> >> through my mind
> >> >> is a series of songs that you wouldn't ordinarily
> >> dance
> >> >> tango, vals
> >> >> or milonga to...but you can, if you stretch your
> >> mind a
> >> >> bit...and
> >> >> hear the beat, the rhythm, the opportunities...
> >> >>
> >> >> Take for instance Sade's - No Ordinary Love.
> >> Amazing
> >> >> song to dance
> >> >> tango to by the way.... Or James Taylor's - The
> >> Water is
> >> >> Wide, or the
> >> >> ubiquitous, Norah Jones's - The Nearness of
> >> You....  All
> >> >> amazing
> >> >> songs that are so danceable and perfect for
> >> Tango....
> >> >>
> >> >> So am I wrong in thinking that this is
> >> 'alternative'
> >> >> music or is
> >> >> there perhaps another meaning....
> >> >>
> >> >> One that springs to mind is 'alternate' songs by
> >> other
> >> >> orchestras
> >> >> doing classic or golden age tunes....???
> >> >>
> >> >> Or another is something to Gotan Project, or
> >> NarcoTango
> >> >> or,
> >> >> BalaTango....?
> >> >>
> >> >> Can anyone enlighten ?
> >> >>
> >> >> M i l e s.
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Tango-L mailing list
> >> >> Tango-L at mit.edu
> >> >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> >> > Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> >> most popular social dance.
> >> > http://patangos.home.comcast.net/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> > 
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