[Tango-L] Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus

[Tango For Her]

Hey!  I was just told that I dance grotesque tango!  Cool!  I'll be sure to let my partner know that that nirvana that we, sometimes, approach is grostesque!  
   
  By the way, did you REALLY mean to tell me that I must be dancing grotesque tango?  I'll ask so that I can learn.  Did you mean to belittle the way I think of tango or am I just reading it wrong?  
   
  Reading the article, I already said that there are a lot of little communications that go on within a step.  Here's what I said: "However, I prefer to think of the entire sequence as a myriad of small conversations going on."  In the article he said what I said, but with more detail!  
   
  Anyway, on a macro level, it is A GREAT WAY to get younger leaders to pay better attention of their followers.  Grotesque or helpful?  I choose to be nice and be helpful.
   
  By the way I, for one, CAN make them happen one after another.  Never say never, lest you close the doors to expanding your mind!
   
  Signed,
  Your grostesque tango dancer
   
  Oh, wait, there's more!  "blinded by the "equality" thing, one may miss the real gems there."  Who is blinded by the equality thing?  I know that there have been different viewpoints here, but, was that a dig?  I bet that if I danced with any of the followers that have been in these conversations, we would learn from each other's viewpoints.  I don't think any of them are blinded.  
   
  

Krasimir Stoyanov <krasimir at krasimir.com> wrote:
  Shorty, these 1, 2 and 3 are simply one and the same thing, because they mostly overlap. They never happen one after the other. Or, if they happen in such an order, it is not tango at all, some tango grotesque maybe.

No, I am not going to discuss the technique. Someone said it before me:
http://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2004/msg00020.html

Some parts of this publication demonstrate very high level of understanding the matter. Actually, it is simple, but blinded by the "equality" thing, one may miss the real gems there.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tango For Her 
To: Krasimir Stoyanov ; Tango-L 
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus


Krasimir,

I could add the following to what you said:

A step is in three parts. 

1. The leader suggests the direction and feel of the step.
2. The follower interprets what the leader has suggested and makes the step.
3. The leader follows the follower through the step.

Given this sequence, during parts 2 and 3, it is the follower who could be thought of as having the monologue. :o)

However, I prefer to think of the entire sequence as a myriad of small conversations going on.


Krasimir Stoyanov wrote:
No important is where I am from.
Look all the good performances on youtube. Do you see a single one, where 
the leader does not DETERMINE the step? I have yet to see any, good or even 
bad, performance where both are equal 50% leaders.

People, this is an art form. It is not politics, and please, stop fighting 
for equality, it is irrelevant here.

I personally like to follow very much. But when I follow, I FOLLOW. I don't 
want to speak, I listen. I am the listening part of the monologue, and there 
is much pleasure in it. But you with your prejudices may never feel it.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" 
To: "Krasimir Stoyanov" ; "Tango-L" 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus


> Krasimir,
>
> I'm not sure where you're from, but the reason you don't
> see the 50/50 dialogue might be because the women in your
> area aren't encouraged to reach that point.
>
> It's very difficult for a woman to reach that point of
> feeling and being an equal partner in the dance, both
> technically and psychologically.
>
> I have lost count of the number of women who have described
> an exchange with a man with me and have asked if he was
> being condenscending. The answer is usually yes.
>
> Understand this - they are actually asking me whether
> condenscending behavior is okay or not! They are looking
> for guidance in what they should already know is not good
> behavior. The amazing part is that unless I confirm what
> they already know, they will accept this behavior as
> normal! I know this because of certain dynamics that have
> occurred in my community.
>
> So if you'd like to see a more 50/50 dialogue, do what you
> can to encourage the women to become equal partners.
> You'll enjoy the results.
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>
> --- Krasimir Stoyanov wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I have not yet seen a tango, that is 50/50
>> dialogue.
>>
>> So, I would gladly be a violin (more likely contrabass
>> :-) instead of trying
>> to play the too clever violin.
>>
>> This dance is a monologue,like it ot not, adorned by some
>> additions from the
>> follower.
>>
>> Otherwise, instead of telling a story, (painting canvas,
>> playing violin), it
>> becomes a quarrel. I see it every night locally. And I am
>> tired of this
>> pseudo-tango.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tango For Her" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:23 PM
>> Subject: [Tango-L] Men are from Mars, Women are from
>> Venus
>>
>>
>> > MEN ARE FROM MARS, WOMEN ARE FROM VENUS
>> >
>> > === Here's something that I got from the book:
>> >
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