[Tango-L] A Comedian's Monologue

Mon Dec 24 09:41:44 EST 2007

... and, now, to reiterate what Krasimir has said ...

  Imagine a truly versatile comedian ( an advanced leader, if you will ).  He is delivering a monologue ( his lead ) and, as he does, he modifies it based on the responses ( following ) that he gets from his audience ( follower ).  

  Given this, in tango, the leader really is delivering a monologue.  I see, Krasimir!

  I accept your notion of a monologue as long as we are versatile comedians!  :o)

Krasimir Stoyanov <krasimir at krasimir.com> wrote:
  No important is where I am from.
Look all the good performances on youtube. Do you see a single one, where 
the leader does not DETERMINE the step? I have yet to see any, good or even 
bad, performance where both are equal 50% leaders.

People, this is an art form. It is not politics, and please, stop fighting 
for equality, it is irrelevant here.

I personally like to follow very much. But when I follow, I FOLLOW. I don't 
want to speak, I listen. I am the listening part of the monologue, and there 
is much pleasure in it. But you with your prejudices may never feel it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" 

To: "Krasimir Stoyanov" ; "Tango-L" 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus

> Krasimir,
>
> I'm not sure where you're from, but the reason you don't
> see the 50/50 dialogue might be because the women in your
> area aren't encouraged to reach that point.
>
> It's very difficult for a woman to reach that point of
> feeling and being an equal partner in the dance, both
> technically and psychologically.
>
> I have lost count of the number of women who have described
> an exchange with a man with me and have asked if he was
> being condenscending. The answer is usually yes.
>
> Understand this - they are actually asking me whether
> condenscending behavior is okay or not! They are looking
> for guidance in what they should already know is not good
> behavior. The amazing part is that unless I confirm what
> they already know, they will accept this behavior as
> normal! I know this because of certain dynamics that have
> occurred in my community.
>
> So if you'd like to see a more 50/50 dialogue, do what you
> can to encourage the women to become equal partners.
> You'll enjoy the results.
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>
> --- Krasimir Stoyanov wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I have not yet seen a tango, that is 50/50
>> dialogue.
>>
>> So, I would gladly be a violin (more likely contrabass
>> :-) instead of trying
>> to play the too clever violin.
>>
>> This dance is a monologue,like it ot not, adorned by some
>> additions from the
>> follower.
>>
>> Otherwise, instead of telling a story, (painting canvas,
>> playing violin), it
>> becomes a quarrel. I see it every night locally. And I am
>> tired of this
>> pseudo-tango.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tango For Her" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:23 PM
>> Subject: [Tango-L] Men are from Mars, Women are from
>> Venus
>>
>>
>> > MEN ARE FROM MARS, WOMEN ARE FROM VENUS
>> >
>> > === Here's something that I got from the book:
>> >
>> > Men are from Mars: When discussing something, men want
>> to state the
>> > answer.
>> >
>> > Women are from Venus: Women discuss to discuss. The
>> answer isn't as
>> > important as the exchange of information. (It's been a
>> while since I've
>> > read the book. I know I could have stated this
>> better.)
>> >
>> > === Here is how I see it playing out in life:
>> >
>> > The man has the answer (so he thinks) and forces it on
>> the woman.
>> >
>> > Because the man *has the answer*, he is forcing the
>> conversation toward a
>> > monologue.
>> >
>> > The woman is barraged with this everyday.
>> >
>> > === Let's apply it to tango:
>> >
>> > Plenty of men *know* they are doing the step
>> correctly, therefore they
>> > believe that the woman should accept it and just
>> follow, damn it!
>> >
>> > Plenty of men *know they are right* and are awfully
>> busy telling the
>> > women that they are wrong.
>> >
>> > These men turn the dance into a monologue.
>> >
>> > Women would sure love a beautiful conversation.
>> >
>> > === Here is how I see it applying to these posts:
>> >
>> > The women have stated, very clearly, that they don't
>> appreciate being
>> > thought of in certain ways.
>> >
>> > The men *are right* and must make the women see this.
>> >
>> > === Putting it all together
>> >
>> > Men, if you will stop having to be right, this thread
>> will cease to the
>> > delight of many!
>> >
>> > Try this on: You don't have to understand Venus. It's
>> okay. Take a vow
>> > of silence on this topic for a week. At the end of
>> that week, be okay
>> > with that silence!
>> >
>> > Thank you, in advance, for not responding to this
>> post.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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