[Tango-L] To lead or not to lead the cross

[Keith]

 Christopher,

 I hate to repeat myself but the LF foot cross of the Giro to left requires a woman's hip-turn to right. Your
 description of step 5 of the 8CB has a woman's hip-turn to left. That's not just a variation but a completely 
 different step and destroys Gustavo's theory that the 8CB follows the same code as a Giro to left.

 Gustavo says, quite forcefully, that your method of leading step 5 of the 8CB is WRONG. I still have the video - he
 slaps his fist into his palm and says your method will cause the couple to collide and puts them in a position that is
 very difficult to get out of.

 Now, I can understand your reticence at being at odds with Gustavo, but just saying ... "There's no disagreement"
 won't make it go away. You're going to have to do better than that.

 Keith, HK


 On Sun Aug 26  6:15 , ceverett at ceverett.com sent:

>There's no disagreement.  Counts 3 to 6 of the 8CD are certainly a
>variation on back, open, front, side.
>
>Christopher
>
>On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:33:57 -0400, "Keith" keith at tangohk.com> said:
>>  Dear All,
>> 
>>  Leading the cross is certainly an interesting subject.
>> 
>>  Manuel and Huck are adherents of Gustavo’s theory that the first 5
>>  steps of the 8CB, up to and including the cross, follow the
>>  code of the Giro to left. As a result, at the time of the cross, the
>>  lady will turn her hips a little to the right and this is how Gustavo 
>>  teaches it. He specifically states that for the woman to turn to the
>>  left is wrong, as this is contrary to the code of the Giro.
>> 
>>  But, recently, Christopher and Sergio have both stated that to cross is
>>  best led by a body turn to the left. 
>> 
>>  Can I ask how Manuel and Huck lead the cross and whether they think,
>>  like Gustavo, that Christopher and Sergio are
>>  wrong? Or, are there many ways to lead the cross and Gustavo's theory is
>>  not set in stone?
>> 
>> Keith, HK
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sat Aug 25 23:40 , "Sergio Vandekier"  sent:
>> 
>> >
>> >If you want to lead the cross in tango you may do so, and this does not 
>> >interfere at all with the dance.   All you need to do is at step # 4 of the 
>> >base, you walk slightly diagonally away from the lady and turn your chest 
>> >slightly from your right to straight to the LOD (as described by somebody 
>> >before).
>> >
>> >>
>> >There are many ways to dance tango.
>> >
>> >Best regards, Sergio
>> 
>> 
>> Christopher writes on 24 August:
>> 
>> If he twists his spine so that his chest points a bit to the 
>> right of the LOD at an angle, then she need not cross to keep
>> the frame. In that situation, I would expect her to twist her 
>> to the right so our chests remain parallel while she walks in 
>> the direction I lead. If so, when she steps back with her 
>> right leg, it will open a bit, and when she steps back with 
>> her left leg, she will cross in back a bit. 
>> 
>> If the man should decide he does after all want her to cross, 
>> then all he has to do is untwist his spine so that it points 
>> directly down the LOD again, and she must cross to stay in 
>> the frame.
>> 
>> 
>>