[Tango-L] Women leading IV

[Lucia]

It's worse - the forum is being killed by boredom,
when attempting to read all these failed novelists
with half-cooked ideas.....

Lucia ;->

 --- Ed Loomis <TangoBear at pobox.com> escribió:

> Jake,
>      What a crass and vulgar post you have inflicted
> on us. Hiding behind Oscar
> Wilde to imply that Sergio is somehow stupid because
> you disagree with him does
> not excuse you. Your post is an example of the
> childishly self indulgent ranting
> that has ruined this list as a forum for discussing
> tango. Sergio did nothing to
> deserve this and neither did any of the rest of us.
> Shame on you. 
> Ed
> 
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 14:58:55 -0400, "TangoDC.com"
> <spatz at tangoDC.com> wrote:
> 
> >Sergio,
> >
> >First off, you're issuing forth an idealized, Star
> Trek version of 
> >gender roles (minus Captain Kirk, I might add), and
> asking us to believe 
> >that this pipe-dream of equality is not only behind
> the brothel-born 
> >tango, but a uniquely Argentine phenomenon, which
> the rest of the 
> >cement-headed world has never even heard of.
> >
> >Secondly, you haven't done Squat to describe what
> those roles actually 
> >are, besides assigning (tautologically) the man's
> role to the man, and 
> >the woman's role to the woman. You give us a
> threadbare generalization, 
> >but halt on the doorstep of what it truly is: mere
> stereotype, an 
> >old-fashioned melodrama which the huddled masses
> take delight in 
> >swallowing, one three-minute dose at a time. It is
> and has always been 
> >as shallow as a soap opera, which is exactly what
> makes it (a) a fantasy 
> >largely *at odds* with the reality of gender
> relations, and (b) possible 
> >for an intelligent person to enjoy *as a charade.*
> If the tango has an 
> >essence of sorrow, the sorrow is that real life's
> neither that easy nor 
> >that beautiful.
> >
> >Thirdly, you seem to have reached your conclusion
> about the place a 
> >leading woman has in the tango world Well Before
> posing the question to 
> >anyone here, so I don't understand how you can even
> maintain the 
> >pretense of presiding over an open discussion. Like
> many a pedant before 
> >you, you arrange the available evidence (or the
> portion of it you find 
> >attractive) so that it seems to support your
> prefabricated conclusion, 
> >sweep the rest under the carpet, and voila-- Thou
> Art the Very 
> >Mouthpiece of The Trumpet of the Tango. Meanwhile,
> voices dissenting 
> >from yours get the spit-valve concession of being
> perfectly acceptable 
> >if they squeak, but no longer "Argentine," because
> they depart from this 
> >walking caricature you insist on equating with real
> life.
> >
> >To your credit, you reverse your statements in
> light of contrary 
> >evidence, as you did when reminded of the charming
> story, "Rudolpho Goes 
> >to the Wrong Neighborhood," which paints Buenos
> Aires in a 
> >less-than-heavenly light. The details of that
> little expose' showed me a 
> >city that has gutters as well as statues, and I
> continue to appreciate 
> >it for the way it smacks of first-hand experience.
> To your great 
> >discredit, you don't do this enough, either because
> you fear 
> >misinterpretation, or because you feel some
> necessity to promote your 
> >own views. In the end, it's just patronizing.
> >
> >The simple fact is that there is a wide variety of
> opinion as to the 
> >woman's role in tango, and that a lot of this
> variety has come from 
> >people posting IN Buenos Aires. They've spoken for
> themselves, and your 
> >simplistic summaries will not smother them out.
> Neither, for that 
> >matter, will appeals to Buenos Aires as the
> tabernacle of authenticity. 
> >By the time we're done sorting out tango propaganda
> from tango history, 
> >we've still got the great variety of how people
> actually dance, and the 
> >everlasting plurality of styles-- plus the
> innovative dancers known as 
> >artists, who set fire to all these useless blanket
> statements and modify 
> >tradition by the presence of their own blazing
> originality.
> >
> >Jake Spatz
> >Washington, DC
> >
> >"It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also
> stupid."
> >-- Oscar Wilde
> >
> >
> >
> >Sergio Vandekier wrote:
> >> When I mentioned the way women and men are in
> Argentina (described as 
> >> platitude by Jake and as something existent all
> over the world by 
> >> Ilene, and as not true by Jak ) I was giving  and
> ideal reflection of 
> >> the concept that exists in Argentine society of
> what a man and a woman 
> >> should be.
> 
> 
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