[Tango-L] Learning tango as foreigner

[Yale Tango Club]

Yes Alberto I think this whole thing of singing while not Congolese or even while not being supervised by a real Congolese, is fishy business, very fishy indeed. 
  I think it is disrespectful that you subvert the vanishing traditional culture of the Congolese village elders for your own selfish entertainment and togetherness with your wife. What were you thinking! 
  Tine
   
   
   
  

Michael Figart II <michaelfigart at yahoo.com> wrote:
  And also Alberto, did you find out who appointed this
teacher? Or was he one of those accursed
self-appointed guys? He must have been self-appointed,
since he didn't check to make sure you actually knew
any of the Congolese language. After all, everybody
knows that you can't sing Congolese without knowing
any Congolese! ;-)

Michael

--- Yale Tango Club wrote:

> Hey Alberto
> But... was the teacher a real Congolese? That is
> the question!
> If he was Argentine that would be very bad because
> then maybe you were singing, but it certainly
> couldn't have been real authentic Congolese singing.
> In that case you should have all stopped doing
> what you were doing right there! Better no singing
> at all than fake Congolese singing.
> Tine
> 
> 
> 
> Alberto Gesualdi wrote:
> Dear friends from tango list
> I would like to make an aditional comment to this
> subject, since I have an interesting experience
> related with learning another thing , that in some
> way is related to tango.
> This past saturday we went with my wife, here in
> Buenos Aires, to a "voice" workshop . This was the
> first time ever , I assist to such a workshop, and
> we were explained that we would use our voice in a
> simple way , to make sounds and later on the
> workshop, songs with armonies and contrapunto.
> Well, we started making some preparation of the
> position of the body ( very similar to the tango
> attitude as dancer , even as amateur tango learning)
> 
> Then we made some exercises with voices. And then
> ... we sing a congolese song .......
> 
> There are many things in my life , that I am not
> sure about. But one thing I am almost sure, is that
> I am not congolese. I do not know a single word, I
> do not met people, do not visit the country , and so
> on.
> 
> The teacher could have told us" now you will have to
> take care of the vowels, since the congolese as
> spoken in Congo today , is different to the old
> styles , there are many communities there, and each
> one speak differently. Also the communities of
> congolese abroad say they speak the real congolese,
> and the ones living in Congo today say they are the
> only that speak real congolese, that the communities
> abroad can not speak " 
> 
> Does it rings you any tango bell in some part ?? NO
> ??:))
> 
> Well, the teacher does not say a word, she just put
> up in a circle and we started , and , believe or
> not, we were singing ..... and it sounds good , just
> our voices ( 13 women and 2 men, another coincidence
> with tango lessons :)
> 
> It was a good experience and keep me thinking that
> sometimes this tango stuff , or how to learn ......
> is a bit more sophisticated than the real thing . Of
> course , a good teacher is needed , and this is the
> weak point of my argument , I am not sure all tango
> teachers here in Buenos Aires and abroad , would be
> able to make their students move .
> 
> But I do think it would be good from a student that
> is starting the first tango lesson, to place aside
> any prejudices.
> 
> I can talk, I was able to sing a congolese song 
> 
> You can walk ?? You can dance tango :):)
> 
> 
> warm regards
> alberto 
> 
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