[Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from Derik, a consumer wh

Wed May 3 14:46:00 EDT 2006

Copy of message received privately, below.

Chris

Subject: Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from 
Derik, a consumer wh
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub at yahoo.com>
To: tl2 at chrisjj.com
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT)

Chris

  I am aware that if somebody were to say to somebody else, You @sshole, 
you would probably point out the absence of a verb and say it's not 
technically an insult. That doesn't mean the other 1199 people wouldn't 
feel it was an insult. It is meant as an insult. 

  I am most certainly not ashamed and I will think about apologizing 
after Derik apologizes once for each insulting email he sent me over the 
past year or two, and everybody else. It seems no matter what statement 
I post to the list about what I do and how while minding my own 
business, I get called names by this meddlesome idiot on the other side 
of the country. Please note that I have never cast the first stone. 
However I am not one to turn the other cheek. 

  While I have your attention. I feel it is only fair to remind you that 
the next time you do anything more iffy than pleasantly disagree, on a 
certain other forum that we are both on and of which I am the moderator, 
you will be removed from that forum. I thought about moderating your 
messages, but I'm too busy to be your mother. You've had 2 warnings, 
next strike you're out. We like the majority of your postings, however 
if you ruin it by acting like Derik and implying people are incomptetent 
or being in any way unpleasant in a few of your postings, we'd rather do 
without them. Unpleasant, meaning, by my standards not yours. Evidently 
your standards are a lot more relaxed.

  This is a private message but I have no objection to your posting it 
to any list you desire, provided you do not edit it. 

  Tine

"Chris, UK" <tl2 at chrisjj.com> wrote:
  Tine wrote:

> I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik 
> call them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, 
> same old, boring, BS. This is just the words from this email.

Tine, you should be ashamed of yourself. That's a wicked 
misrepresentation of Derik's email.

"The music the DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable ... rather 
dull" is not calling anyone predictable or dull, let alone '1200 people 
on this list'. In fact his email contains not a single example of the 
name-calling you claim. 

I hope you have the good grace to apologise to Derik and this list as a 
whole.

Chris

-------- Original Message --------

*Subject:* Re: [Tango-L] "Inexperience tango teachers, stay away from 
Derik, a consumer who knows BS when he hears it!
*From:* Yale Tango Club 
*To:* tango-l at mit.edu
*Date:* Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT)

I am truly amazed that 1200 peple on this list let this idiot Derik call 
them ignorant, incompetent, dull, predictable, inexperienced, same old, 
boring, BS. This is just the words from this email. You let him do this 
not just once, but over and over again. For years! Incredible. 
Mind-boggling!

That's another idiot from Texas that you let walk all over you. At least 
the other one, you elected him, and you know he's not going to be there 
forever.

Don't any of you have any b*lls on you? (well a few of you do) What's 
the matter with you? 

You must all be confusing freedom of speech with the right to be 
insulted. If people have nothing interesting to contribute, they should 
not have privileged access to 1200 inboxes. Is this Derik's list, or 
everybody's list.

Tine

Derik Rawson wrote:
Dear Michael:

Why does it not surprise me that you have never heard
of the expression.

"I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like
a bandondeon.""

This is the kind of ignorance that I am talking about.
Furthermore, I do dance close embrace 60 to 80
percent of the time, so please do not tell me that I
have never experienced "close embrace all the time". 
I have!

Like you, I feel her heart pounding, but I also know
when she wants some space to express herself. Of
course to do this, she would have to know how to
dance...lol. This is the big problem with "close
embrace all the time" followers, who have not really
learned the entire dance. They are stuck with no
ideas for open, so they have to avoid it.

Doing one thing all the time is way too much. Variety
is the spice of life.

PS- I can always tell when the "close embrace all the
time people" arrive in a room to dance. The music the
DJ plays suddenly becomes very predictable and cutsie
stuff... rather dull. When "the parents" go home,
then the music then changes again and becomes more
lively.

I guess I just get tired of all the predictability,
the cutsie same old repetitious choreography. and the
"gee, look how cute we are" mentality....and the
constant recruitment of inexperienced teachers and
students to teach this boring stuff.

I like to see more real energy on the dance floor. 
where people really know how to navigate the floor in
complex patterns, follow the changes in the music, and
"move" instead of just going through the motions. My
opinion.

Other than that, have a beautiful day in Washington. 
Weather here is beautiful too, and I am going to enjoy
it as well. Happy Spring.

Derik
d.rawson at rawsonweb.com

--- Michael wrote:

> Derek:
> I'd love to give you a break! Your arrogance is only
> exceeded by your ignorance of close embrace.
> Changing the embrace? Why would I want to do that?
> The embrace is like two batteries in a flashlight.
> If they aren't in contact (facing the correct
> direction), the light doesn't come on. To dance open
> would break the circuit between the batteries. I
> don't want to break the circuit with my partner. 
> 
> I've never heard "The embrace opens and closes like
> a bandondeon." WRONG!! My heart opens and closes
> like a bandeneon, not the embrace. Sometimes I can
> also feel her heart pounding. I may have to slightly
> adjust the embrace to allow the woman more room for
> a figure, but there's NO good reason to go from
> close to open. If couples have to go to open for a
> figure, it's probably a show tango figure, not
> appropriate to the social floor. Or one, if not
> both, partners are so stiff they can't dance close
> because their stiff arms prevents them from getting
> close.
> 
> Thank goodness it's a beautiful spring day in
> Washington and I'm going out to enjoy it instead of
> reading Derek's posts.
> 
> Michael Ditkoff
> Washington, DC
> I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango
> 
> Looking forward to my next trip to NY to dance with
> N. and O. I thought I knew close embrace. These
> women dance closer embrace.
> Derek unfortunately wrote:
> I do front ochos all the in variations of close
> and open embrace. As you have heard it said many
> times, "The embrace
> opens and closes like a bandondeon." My point is
> to vary the embrace. You should know how to be
> connected
> with your partner, no matter what. Keeping the
> embrace closed all the time is like
> keeping the bandondeon closed all the
> time...ridiculous! My view is that the inexperience
> and lack of understanding probably falls more on
> the side of the people who do close embrace all the
> time,
> and their teachers who purposely eliminate
> teaching the front ocho entirely....like Tine. Give
> me a
> break....lol.
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Derik Rawson
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