Backgorund job that generated a workflow itemwith- the problem is solved :-)
JANSSENS Koenraad
Koenraad.JANSSENS at swift.com
Mon Oct 11 07:12:06 EDT 2010
Indeed, documentation is generally the lowest of the priorities.
Anyway.. wouldn't it be better to add a step at the end of ANOTHER_BACKGROUND_JOB to launch MY_BACKGROUND_JOB if it is dependent of it?
You are never certain how long a job might run .....
Best Regards
K
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>From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Pokraka
>Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 12:55 PM
>To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>Subject: Re: Backgorund job that generated a workflow itemwith- the problem is solved :-)
>
>I know what you mean about external consultants and documentation, they
>keep me in business :-)
>
>However I would point out that it's not always their fault. On more than
>one occasion I have suggested doco towards the end of my engagement but
>been specifically asked to add more functionality or do other bits of
>work.
>
>Consultancies and projects have budgets that overrun and it's usually the
>doco that suffers.
>
>Cheers,
>Mike
>
>On Fri, October 8, 2010 8:53 am, Mintchev Alexander, Mag. wrote:
>>
>> Dear Paul,
>> Dear Keith,
>>
>> Dear Jimmy!
>>
>> Thank all of you for the valuable suggestions and help. I was able to
>> solve the problem, following in the last step the advice of Paul to search
>> for the where-used-list of other function modules that start a workflow -
>> namely in my case- SWW_WI_START.
>> Then based on the program name, that starts the worfkow, the basis team
>> determined the back ground job name that executed the program in the
>> night- let us call it - MY_BACKGROUND_JOB
>> It finally turned out, that MY_BACKGROUND_JOB was rescheduled very closely
>> after another background job- ANOTHER_BACKGROUND_JOB, so that actually the
>> result of MY_BACKGROUND_JOB were therefore jeopardised.
>>
>> The solution was simply to reschedule MY_BACKGROUND_JOB for a later start.
>>
>> @ Keith: Of course, it would be much easier to aks the author of the
>> workflow- but he is an external consultant, who is not more at the company
>> (and has not docuemnted his work) :-)))
>>
>>
>> Thank all of you and have a nice weekend!
>>
>>
>> Kind regards: Alexander
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr¨¹ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] Im Auftrag
>> von Paul.Bakker at osr.treasury.qld.gov.au
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 07. Oktober 2010 01:08
>> An: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>> Betreff: Re: Backgorund job that generated a workflow itemwith
>> aparticularuser-how can I determine the job's name?
>>
>> Hey Alex,
>>
>> (1) There are other ways of starting workflows directly, besides
>> SAP_WAPI_START_WORKFLOW Try searching for function modules with the
>> pattern SW*START*. For example, SWW_WI_START.
>> But are you sure this workflow was started directly?
>>
>> (2) RFKK_MASS_ACT_SINGLE_JOBis a generic program for executing mass
>> activities in the background (such as clearing, dunning etc) So it will
>> always call another program, which then triggers the workflow.
>> (if applicable, have a look in transaction FKJOXTR to see which mass
>> activities are scheduled at 2am).
>>
>> (3) If you look at what your workflow does, and what data it uses, you can
>> probably work out what kind of mass activity started it (e.g., clearing,
>> correspondence,)
>>
>> (4) Finally, if this is a custom workflow being triggered from a SAP
>> program, you should probably look through BADis, enhancements, and perhaps
>> even FI-CA events (if applicable - see transaction FQEVENTS)
>>
>> hope this helps
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mintchev
>> Alexander, Mag."
>> <Alexander.Mintch To
>> ev at biac.at> "SAP Workflow Users' Group"
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>> sap-wug-bounces at m cc
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>> Subject
>> Backgorund job that generated a
>> 07/10/2010 02:28 workflow item with
>> AM aparticularuser-how can I determine
>> the job's name?
>>
>> Please respond to
>> "SAP Workflow
>> Users' Group"
>> <sap-wug at mit.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Jimmy!
>> Hello Keith!
>>
>> Thank both of you for the good advices.
>>
>> I ve tried the Jimmy's advice - namely to search for the where used list
>> of the fucntion module SAP_WAPI_START_WORKFLOW, but I found only results
>> from standard SAP programs or classes. (See the attached file
>> SAP_WAPI_START_WORKFLOW-where-used-list.HTM)
>>
>> I have meanwhile noticed that the workflow item I am interested in has
>> been created on 2 October 2010 at 02:50:08 by the user UC4BASIS, as shown
>> below:
>>
>> (Embedded image moved to file: pic32119.gif)
>>
>> As Keith Gardiner suggested, I have sought for all background jobs active
>> at the time my work item has been created ( using the transaction SM37),
>> and found out only 10 relevant background jobs:
>>
>> (Embedded image moved to file: pic20577.gif)
>>
>>
>> All these backgorund jobs actually execute one and the same program -
>> RFKK_MASS_ACT_SINGLE_JOB - using different variants. The stupid thing is
>> that the program RFKK_MASS_ACT_SINGLE_JOB is not presented in the attached
>> file SAP_WAPI_START_WORKFLOW-where-used-list.HTM, which means, that it
>> does not direclty start my workflow. Or am I wrong?
>>
>> Do you have any ideas how to proceed?
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> Kind regards: Alexander
>>
>>
>> Von: sap-wug-bounces at MIT.EDU [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at MIT.EDU] Im Auftrag
>> von Jimmy Sun
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. Oktober 2010 14:42
>> An: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>> Betreff: Re: Backgorund job that generated a workflow item with
>> aparticularuser-how can I determine the job's name?
>>
>> Alexander,
>> In you case, I'd suggest you do a where used search of function module
>> SAP_WAPI_START_WORKFLOW. and hope a Z* report will come up. If so check if
>> the Z* report is scheduled in any JOB.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>> On 10/6/10, Mintchev Alexander, Mag. <Alexander.Mintchev at biac.at> wrote:
>> Hello Keith!
>>
>> Thank you very much for your prompt and relevant reply.
>> I already talked to your BASIS team - it is difficult for them to locate
>> the right background job, cause we have many such jobs started by the
>> same user UC4BASIS.
>> You are right - we have many "bespoke" FS-CM workflows that are
>> triggered by BRF events.
>>
>>
>> However, the particular workflow I am concerned in is not triggered by
>> an
>> event (see the attached pictire). How can I find out which program
>> starts
>> it? Poinitng on the "Workflow Started" step from its SWDD definition
>> and
>> then clicking on the "Basic data" button just delivers me an emtpy
>> "Start
>> events" tab, an empty "Start forms" tab, everything (apart from
>> tehcnical information tab and abbreviation) is empty.
>>
>> Thank you very much once again!
>>
>> Kind regards: Alexander
>>
>>
>>
>> Von: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] Im Auftrag
>> von Gardiner,Keith (Insurance & Investor Services)
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. Oktober 2010 12:39
>> An: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>> Betreff: RE: Backgorund job that generated a workflow item with a
>> particularuser-how can I determine the job's name?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Alexander,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you look at the workflow definition WS90000049, you should be able to
>> find the event that started the workflow. This may have been created
>> from
>> BRF or from FM¡¯s SAP_WAPI_CREATE_EVENT or less likely
>> SWW_WI_CREATE_VIA_EVENT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> As the workflow seems to be bespoke, you could look through the BRF
>> actions to find a bespoke BRF Action that starts this workflow or if
>> started by program, then look in bespoke programs for the above FM¡¯s
>> and
>> see if you can find the one that uses this event.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Another alternative is to look at jobs in SM37 for user UC4BASIS if this
>> is a background job, and see if they set the workflow going. Or just
>> speak to your Basis team to see what user UC4BASIS is used for.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________
>>
>> Keith Gardiner
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
>> Of Mintchev Alexander, Mag.
>> Sent: 06 October 2010 11:03
>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>> Subject: Backgorund job that generated a workflow item with a particular
>> user-how can I determine the job's name?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear SAP WUG Users!
>>
>>
>> I am working as a workflow specialist in SAP FS-CM and I need your
>> advice
>> in the following topic:
>>
>>
>> How can I determine the job name of a programm that generated a workflow
>> item out of the workflow pattern WS90000049 with the username UC4BASIS?
>>
>>
>> Some hints I know about the job:
>>
>> System / Mandt
>> IAP (120)
>> Claim:
>> 2802066859
>>
>> The job has created a workflow item with ID
>> 4072344
>> The job that created the workflow item on / at
>> 20101002,005,008.3792930
>>
>> The job that created the workflow item with the text
>> "Open items for claim"
>>
>> The job that created the workflow item for the user
>> ATDREU_M
>>
>> Key address object
>> USR30000000000065
>>
>> Call Back Funtion module:
>> SWP_CALLBACK_WI_DONE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Embedded image moved to file: pic10737.gif)PBrush
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards: Alexander Mintchev
>> BIAC
>> Vienna Insurance Group
>>
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