SAP workflows and BPM

Wed Jun 2 19:29:21 EDT 2010

Hi Mike, 
There's a licensing arrangement for Composition Environment Server and BPM (which includes BRM).  
It also includes all the other software you need to run such as an Ajax version of the Portal (if you don't have an existing EP), NWDI, ESR (if you don't have a suitable release of PI), BI Java, ADS, NWDS, Adobe LiveCycle Designer, etc. 

The licensing for CE and BPM/BRM is currently largely based on CPU cores rather than users, although yes usually user ids still need to be licensed depending on how they are accessing SAP and there are a number of different scales for that including handling of multiple users under generic ids. 

As always licensing is a complex area and depends a lot on how your organization's agreement with SAP has been structured so best approach is to ask the question and hand it over to the professionals.  E.g. If you already have a Java NW system it's possible that your arrangement might cover you for CE but not for BPM so you should still ask for your SAP account exec to check it out and confirm.  

Hope that helps. 

Regards,
Jocelyn

-----Original Message-----
From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Pokraka
Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2010 7:37 PM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: RE: SAP workflows and BPM

Is it chargeable?
I was under the impression it's integrated. Unless of course you aren't
currently running a Java NW system in which case there would be additional
licensing and other costs to get a Java setup up and running. This could
turn out quite hefty if all you're after is a single tool.

Additional licenses for process participants who do not currently have
acces to SAP will also be a factor, but that argument applies to WF as
well.

Cheers,
Mike

On Tue, June 1, 2010 4:35 pm, Keohan, Susan - 1140 - MITLL wrote:
> Good point, Mike, Andy.
> Perhaps the chargeable component is the most telling thing :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
> Of Catherall, Andy
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:30 AM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: SAP workflows and BPM
>
> Further, SAP BPM is a chargable additional component, whereas workflow
> comes 'free' with every instance of NW.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
> Of Mike Pokraka
> Sent: Tuesday 01 June 2010 16:23
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: Re: SAP workflows and BPM
>
> Some quick answers:
>
> 1) Yes, another major differenc is that NWBPM is fully SOA based
>
> NetWeaver BPM is also supposed to be a BPM modelling tool, I'll be kind
> and just call it inadequate in this regard. Last I heard SAP were doing
> some work in this area, but for now I'll stick to real BPM tools.
>
> 2) I consider them complementary. NWBPM is much better suited to
> system-independent / cross-system processes - including non-SAP systems.
> At the same time that leaves a number of (large) gaps in the type of
> integrated functionality that we sometimes need (e.g. integration with
> an HR org structure). So whilst both can 'do the job', WF remains king
> for deep single-system scenarios and NWBPM rules across broad
> cross-system setups. So it really depends on your landscape.
>
> 3) NWBPM is still fairly new, so WF is still very much the dominant
> product and will be for some time.
>
> 4) They are obviously pushing NWBPM quite hard, but it's a long way off
> before it takes over. WF does useful things that go against the NWBPM
> design, so I dont' see it going away any time too soon. Completely my
> own opinion, but I would hope to see some integration/porting tools
> coming along once NWBPM has matured a bit more and starts to gain
> straction among mainstream customers.
>
> 5) Integrated with NW, you can download a demo version from SDN.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> On Tue, June 1, 2010 3:31 pm, Will Weiss wrote:
>> Hi experts,
>>
>> I'm familiar with SAP business workflow, but I understand there is a
>> product called NetWeaver BPM (as appears here
>>
> http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/)
> .
>> Here's the differences as I figured out so far (my main source was
>> SAP's site on it,
>> http://www.sap.com/platform/netweaver/components/sapnetweaverbpm/index
>> .epx)
>> 1) SAP business workflow is ABAP based, Netweaver BPM is Java Based
>> 2) Model in SAP business workflow is done in SDD, in Netweaver BPM
>> there's an eclipse plugin, and the model is based on BPMN.
>>
>> The main questions that I have are:
>> 1) Are there any other differences?
>> 2) Which product is "better" (and what do you call "better" :-) )
>> 3) How common is Netweaver BPM compared to SAP business workflow?
>> 4) Is SAP's future in Netweaver BPM or in SAP business workflow?
>> 5) Which version of Netweaver includes NetWeaver BPM? Is it a basic
>> component of Netweaver, or an additional product?
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Will
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