SAP workflows and BPM

[Mike Pokraka]

Is it chargeable?
I was under the impression it's integrated. Unless of course you aren't
currently running a Java NW system in which case there would be additional
licensing and other costs to get a Java setup up and running. This could
turn out quite hefty if all you're after is a single tool.

Additional licenses for process participants who do not currently have
acces to SAP will also be a factor, but that argument applies to WF as
well.

Cheers,
Mike


On Tue, June 1, 2010 4:35 pm, Keohan, Susan - 1140 - MITLL wrote:
> Good point, Mike, Andy.
> Perhaps the chargeable component is the most telling thing :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
> Of Catherall, Andy
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:30 AM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: SAP workflows and BPM
>
> Further, SAP BPM is a chargable additional component, whereas workflow
> comes 'free' with every instance of NW.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
> Of Mike Pokraka
> Sent: Tuesday 01 June 2010 16:23
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: Re: SAP workflows and BPM
>
> Some quick answers:
>
> 1) Yes, another major differenc is that NWBPM is fully SOA based
>
> NetWeaver BPM is also supposed to be a BPM modelling tool, I'll be kind
> and just call it inadequate in this regard. Last I heard SAP were doing
> some work in this area, but for now I'll stick to real BPM tools.
>
> 2) I consider them complementary. NWBPM is much better suited to
> system-independent / cross-system processes - including non-SAP systems.
> At the same time that leaves a number of (large) gaps in the type of
> integrated functionality that we sometimes need (e.g. integration with
> an HR org structure). So whilst both can 'do the job', WF remains king
> for deep single-system scenarios and NWBPM rules across broad
> cross-system setups. So it really depends on your landscape.
>
> 3) NWBPM is still fairly new, so WF is still very much the dominant
> product and will be for some time.
>
> 4) They are obviously pushing NWBPM quite hard, but it's a long way off
> before it takes over. WF does useful things that go against the NWBPM
> design, so I dont' see it going away any time too soon. Completely my
> own opinion, but I would hope to see some integration/porting tools
> coming along once NWBPM has matured a bit more and starts to gain
> straction among mainstream customers.
>
> 5) Integrated with NW, you can download a demo version from SDN.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> On Tue, June 1, 2010 3:31 pm, Will Weiss wrote:
>> Hi experts,
>>
>> I'm familiar with SAP business workflow, but I understand there is a
>> product called NetWeaver BPM (as appears here
>>
> http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/)
> .
>> Here's the differences as I figured out so far (my main source was
>> SAP's site on it,
>> http://www.sap.com/platform/netweaver/components/sapnetweaverbpm/index
>> .epx)
>> 1) SAP business workflow is ABAP based, Netweaver BPM is Java Based
>> 2) Model in SAP business workflow is done in SDD, in Netweaver BPM
>> there's an eclipse plugin, and the model is based on BPMN.
>>
>> The main questions that I have are:
>> 1) Are there any other differences?
>> 2) Which product is "better" (and what do you call "better" :-) )
>> 3) How common is Netweaver BPM compared to SAP business workflow?
>> 4) Is SAP's future in Netweaver BPM or in SAP business workflow?
>> 5) Which version of Netweaver includes NetWeaver BPM? Is it a basic
>> component of Netweaver, or an additional product?
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Will
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