Beginner's books

[Mike Pokraka]

Hi Koenraad,

Two issues make the situation a bit worse:
First, a lot of rubbish is posted on SDN for the sake of points. Second, the
moderation interface doesn't make it easy to send an e-mail other than the
generated notice. 
Given the high volume of reports moderators wade through (hundreds every
day), sometimes we may make the wrong call. Please don't take offence if
that happens. I know your name from the WUG and would not have deleted it,
most likely it was a non-WF moderator filling in as I was without internet
access for most of last year.

Cheers,
Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> Behalf Of JANSSENS Koenraad
> Sent: 08 February 2010 08:17
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: RE: Beginner's books
> 
> That's what I got too.. a kind of automated mail that it was deleted.
> I found it personally quite rude...
> 
> I prefer the WUG also for workflow questions but as I haven't been
> involved in workflow developments the last two years.. and only
> recently did workflow again....  the sdn seemed a logical place to put
> a general question like that.
> 
> Best regards
> Koenraad
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> Behalf Of Rick Bakker
> >Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:34 PM
> >To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> >Subject: Re: RE: Beginner's books
> >
> >Happened to me as well. I gave an honest though possibly incorrect
> >answer to a question (nothing controversial, I can assure you) and it
> >got deleted. I did get an email saying it had been deleted but with no
> >details of who did it or a reasonable explanation why.
> >
> >Since then I haven't posted as much. Beware of over-eager moderators!
> >
> >If I can find the email, I'll send it to you.
> >
> >Rick Bakker
> >Hanabi Technology
> >
> >On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Mike Pokraka
> ><wug at workflowconnections.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Koenraad,
> >>
> >> As an SCN moderator (1), I find this a little bit concerning as
> things
> >> should not work that way. Could you please let me know some more
> details if
> >> you still have the info, and I can look into this. From my part I
> certainly
> >> never delete posts unless they are way out of line - usually I edit
> them
> >> with some explanatory comments. Also, forum moderators are supposed
> to be
> >> approachable rather than the 'can't compete' view you describe.
> >>
> >> You can let me know via private mail - I just wanted to post this on
> the
> >> list in case anyone else had such experiences.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> (1) Although I much prefer the WUG for it's volume and quality of
> posts!
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> >>> Behalf Of JANSSENS Koenraad
> >>> Sent: 27 January 2010 08:29
> >>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> >>> Subject: RE: RE: Beginner's books
> >>>
> >>> It was my pleasure.. because thanks to this thread I now know that
> its
> >>> worthwhile to buy the second edition of the workflow bible while
> >>> already having the first one.
> >>> A thread of my name asking exactly this was once deleted from the
> sap
> >>> sdn forums as not relevant to the subject it was posted under.
>  (which
> >>> I still find incorrectly deleted but you can't compete off course
> which
> >>> those whom practically live on those forums.. gather enough
> points..
> >>> etc etc..)
> >>>
> >>> I can go and spend money again... :)
> >>>
> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> >From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> >>> Behalf Of Florin Wach
> >>> >Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:16 AM
> >>> >To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> >>> >Subject: Re: RE: Beginner's books
> >>> >
> >>> >correction on one of the book's titles:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >"Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code"
> >>> >(Object Technology Series)by Martin Fowler (Author) and others
> (Beck,
> >>> Brant, Opdyke)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Thanks to Koenraad for pointing that out :-)
> >>> >
> >>> >-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>> >Datum: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:57:22 +0100
> >>> >Von: "Florin Wach" <florin.wach at gmx.net>
> >>> >An: "SAP Workflow Users\' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu>
> >>> >Betreff: Re: RE: Beginner\'s books
> >>> >
> >>> >A big hello on everbody again,
> >>> >
> >>> >thank you all for the various replies to my previous question
> >>> ...before the discussion leads to another emphasis,
> >>> >which it is about to go, ... so let me please throw in a small
> gap:
> >>> >
> >>> >As far as I've understood, the one and only highly recommended
> >>> (reference) book is the
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >"Practical Workflow for SAP" (2nd edition)
> >>> >==========================================
> >>> >
> >>> > in its newer edition from May 2009.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >I have looked through the book's table of content and found very
> >>> useful topics and it seems to cover nearly all
> >>> >topics from the basics up to the more sophisticated ones.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >To follow up on Mike's statement: Well I was a bit wondering too,
> as
> >>> my motivation to ask this question was indeed
> >>> >to HAVE a reference book at the customer's site. I already have an
> >>> ABAP reference, an OO-Guide and a fabilous book
> >>> >"How to improve the design of existing code", which I myself could
> >>> recommended to any SAP employee and everone else
> >>> >who's working with pre-existing code ;-)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >So take care, read more, and with the very best wishes,
> >>> >Florin
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>> >> Datum: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:33:49 -0000
> >>> >> Von: "Mike Pokraka" <wug at workflowconnections.com>
> >>> >> An: "\'SAP Workflow Users\' Group\'" <sap-wug at mit.edu>
> >>> >> Betreff: RE: Beginner\'s books
> >>> >
> >>> >> I'm very confused by your statement:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "if you're working with customers you can't really use a
> reference
> >>> book?"
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Why not?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I do.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu]
> On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> >> Of
> >>> >> Shoaib Mirza
> >>> >> Sent: 22 January 2010 21:48
> >>> >> To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> >>> >> Subject: RE: Beginner's books
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But is it worth buying for $70 if you already have the previous
> >>> version?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> And is it possible to get an e-book version, because if you're
> >>> working
> >>> >> with
> >>> >> customers you can't really use a reference book?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> All the best
> >>> >> Sun.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>   _____
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:39:40 +1100
> >>> >> Subject: Re: Beginner's books
> >>> >> From: neil.gardiner at gmail.com
> >>> >> To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I would definitely go fo Susans recomendation for two reasons:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 1) It's a fantastic book, well written and covers all of todays
> W/F
> >>> >> topics.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 2) Proceeds go to: Medicins Sans Frontieres
> (http://www.msf.org.au)
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cheers,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Neil.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 2010/1/22 Keohan, Susan - 1140 - MITLL <keohan at ll.mit.edu>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The updated version of the SAP-Press book, Practical Workflow
> for
> >>> SAP, was
> >>> >> released in May, 2009.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It has almost doubled in size to include much more detail on
> ABAP
> >>> Objects,
> >>> >> SRM, CRM, etc.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://www.sap-press.com/product.cfm?account=&product=H3057
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Regards,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sue
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ----
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Susan R. Keohan
> >>> >>
> >>> >> SAP Workflow Specialist
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Enterprise Applications
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Information Services Department
> >>> >>
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> >>> >>
> >>> >> 244 Wood Street, LI-200
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Lexington, MA. 02420
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 781-981-3561
> >>> >>
> >>> >> keohan at LL.MIT.EDU
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>   _____
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu]
> On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> >> Of
> >>> >> Shoaib Mirza
> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:27 AM
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Subject: RE: Beginner's books
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Florin
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 'Practical workflow for sap': sap press. This was the bible for
> >>> workflow
> >>> >> some years ago to get started, don't know if it's been updated
> >>> though or
> >>> >> if
> >>> >> anything recently published that is good, would be interested to
> >>> know.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Best Regards
> >>> >> Sunni
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:13:07 +0100
> >>> >> > From: florin.wach at gmx.net
> >>> >> > Subject: Beginner's books
> >>> >> > To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Hello again,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > although I know that there're already some posts about this
> topic,
> >>> I'd
> >>> >> like to hear the very recent news about that.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > What book could be advised to get the first steps for SAP
> Business
> >>> >> Workflow ... anticipating that the person is already familier
> with
> >>> SAP
> >>> >> ABAP
> >>> >> programming?
> >>> >> > Something like a general entry, that doesn't goes too deeply
> into
> >>> every
> >>> >> details.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > And yes, I know the SAP trainings BC601,610 (if they still
> have
> >>> these
> >>> >> numbers), which I can advice myself. But I'm looking for a book
> in
> >>> the
> >>> >> first
> >>> >> place.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Florin
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
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