EEC6 Requested Start & Resubmission

Tue Apr 28 02:16:42 EDT 2009

Hi Florin, 
You could always use a Pre-Condition as well.  Which might be even
better as it is based on a logical check rather than an estimated
date/time. 
Regards,
Jocelyn  

-----Original Message-----
From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
Of Florin Wach
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 3:56 PM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: Re: EEC6 Requested Start & Resubmission

Hi,

I have used the requested start date functionality in one of my approval
workflows and it was just nice to send a work item to the resubmission
box. This is also what I have learned in the workflow course from SAP
some time ago. It seems to me that the documentation is slightly unclear
here, as this functionality has been implemented just the way it was
designed.

In order to achieve a strict rule: "Execute-Not-Before", be aware, that
the requested start date even works with BACKGROUND STEPS. So you'll
have to create an empty object method with no-dialog marked, create a
task definition for it and put this into the workflow pattern giving the
requested start date. Right after this step you've to put your dialog
task.
You could also reach the same result, when you used an empty object
method, no-dialog, defined as asynchronous task with an event that
surely never is created and a modeled latest end date. But this is
slighlty more work than the previous solution.

In the result, the workflow stops at the background steps and waits for
the requested start date/time. The job SWWERRE is doing this work, when
I remember rightly, otherwise it is the SWWDHEX. When the background
step is processed, the dialog work items appears at the first time, the
job ran.

With the very best wishes,
   Florin

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:11:55 -0600
> Von: Rick Bakker <rbakker at gmail.com>
> An: "SAP Workflow Users\' Group" <sap-wug at mit.edu>
> Betreff: Re: EEC6 Requested Start & Resubmission

> Hello Rick,
> 
> As you quoted in the Help:
> 
> "A dialog work item appears in the Business Workplaces of its
recipients
> when the requested start is reached"
> 
> That isn't true; it should read that it appears in the Inbox. Isn't
that
> what they call a "documentation bug"?
> 
> I'd never used Requested Start in this way before so I didn't even
know it
> went to the Resubmissions folder.
> 
> regards
> Rick Bakker
> Hanabi Technology
> 
> 
> On 4/27/09, Sample, Rick <Rick.Sample at graybar.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Hi Rick,
> >
> > Thanks for checking. I never noticed this working in this way
before.
> > I always assumed "Earliest time at which the work item can be
executed"
> meant
> > just what it states.
> > Task can not be executed until deadline is reached. Unless the
Deadline
> is
> > changed of course.
> >
> > Well, this explains some intermittent issues I had over the years.
> > I think I need to take a field trip to my super users and see what
other
> > amazing tricks they know that I do not. LOL
> >
> > I wonder if SAP considers this to be a bug? I sure did not catch it.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Rick Sample | Office (314) 573-5822 | Mobile (314) 952-2273 |
> > rick.sample at graybar.com
> > www.graybar.com - *Graybar Works to Your Advantage*
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Rick Bakker
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2009 12:58 PM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* Re: EEC6 Requested Start & Resubmission
> >
> >
> >  Rick,
> >
> > It works in the same way in 46C (ie you end Resubmission and it goes
to
> the
> > inbox) - I just tried it.
> >
> > regards
> > Rick Bakker
> > Hanabi Technology
> >
> >
> > On 4/27/09, Sample, Rick <Rick.Sample at graybar.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Forgot to include the Help file text.
> >> The language seems clear to me! Do not start the task until
xx:xx:xx.
> >> Period! Do not put in Business Workplace until the requested start
and
> not
> >> available.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   requested start (BC-BMT-WFM) SAP Business Workflow (BC-BMT-WFM)
> >>
> >> Earliest time at which the work item can be executed.
> >>
> >> A dialog work item appears in the Business Workplaces of its
recipients
> >> when the requested start is reached if the work item is already
> available
> >> for processing.
> >>
> >> If the dialog work item is not created until after the requested
start,
> it
> >> appears immediately in the Business Workplaces of its recipients.
> >>
> >> With background work items, execution starts when the requested
start
> is
> >> reached at the earliest.
> >>
> >> Rick Sample | Office (314) 573-5822 | Mobile (314) 952-2273 |
> >> rick.sample at graybar.com
> >> www.graybar.com - *Graybar Works to Your Advantage*
> >> ****
> >> **
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >>  ------------------------------
> >> *From:* Sample, Rick
> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2009 12:17 PM
> >> *To:* Sample, Rick; 'SAP Workflow Users' Group'
> >> *Subject:* EEC6 Requested Start & Resubmission
> >>
> >>
> >>  Hi all,
> >>
> >> Something has just brought to my attention and was never aware of
the
> >> functionality!
> >>
> >> We have tasks that have "Requested Start" deadlines.
> >> Task starts and goes into wait.
> >> But, users can just go into SBWP, in the Resubmission folder, end
> >> resubmission, and execute the tasks! This a bug?
> >> I do not want user executing task until the deadline!
> >>
> >> I DO NOT recall this working this way in 4.6c.
> >>
> >> Below is the help text from the task builder for "Requested Start"
> >> describing how it functionality and
> >> I see nothing in the help files that indicate it can be picked up
from
> the
> >> Resubmission folder and
> >> executed BEFORE the start date.
> >>
> >> >How Does the Requested Start Work?
> >> >If the requested start for a dialog work item is reached, the work
> item
> >> is placed in the Workflow Inboxes of the recipients.
> >> >If the requested start for a background is reached, the workflow
> system
> >> starts automatically with the execution of the work item.
> >> >Whether the requested start has been reached is checked by the
> background
> >> job for missed deadline that is run periodically.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rick Sample | Office (314) 573-5822 | Mobile (314) 952-2273 |
> >> rick.sample at graybar.com
> >> www.graybar.com <http://www.graybar.com/>  - Graybar Works to Your
> >> Advantage
> >>
> >>
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