Manager Self-Service (MSS) and automated Infotype Updates (Baerbel Winkler)

Mon Apr 28 05:36:39 EDT 2008

Hi Jocelyn,

thanks a lot for your reply and please excuse that I didn't reply back 
earlier. I had hoped for some more "leads" and was therefore giving this 
some more time. From what you say, we really at the moment would need to 
basically code everything ourselves - with the exception of the available 
FMs to do the actual database/infotype updates. This will mean that we 
have to make sure to find out from looking at the SAP provided 
transactions what all gets updated and in which sequence for each 
scenario. If I'm not totally wrong than this will prove to be pretty 
timeconsuming and - eventually - still rather error-prone. At least, 
unless we can find some kind of checklist/cookbook to guide us along.

I did look around SDN for some more information on HCM Processes and Forms 
and found an interesting blog-entry which also mentions that Enh.Pack 4 
will - most likely - include OM-change-functionality:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/9037

I need to do some more checking about which upgrades are being planned and 
when they might happen for our installation. Depending on how far off they 
are, it might make sense to suggest that we postpone our project until the 
upgrades are done. Are there any "benchmarks" available for how long it 
makes sense to wait? For example, if the upgrade won't happen until 
mid-2009, should we then set up or own processing logic, but if we upgrade 
before the end of this year, we shouldn't really bother?

Thanks much and Cheers
Baerbel
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Baerbel Winkler - Carestream Health IT
IT Steward Technical - Application
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> From: "Dart, Jocelyn" <jocelyn.dart at sap.com>
> Subject: RE: Manager Self-Service (MSS) and automated Infotype Updates
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> Hi Barebel, 
> If you are in this area you should look at what is happening in ERP 
> 2005 (ECC 6.0) for HCM Processes and Forms as this is the next 
> evolution of what you are trying to do.  From Enhancement Pack 4 org
> management forms will be included as standard. 
> 
> At the moment if you need to do updates to PD org objects look at 
> functions RH_READ_OBJECT, RH_CUT_OBJECT, RH_DELETE_OBJECT, 
> To create/update use RH_INSERT/UPDATE/etc. _INFTY
> 
> In other words look at the existing code under BOR objects PDOTYPE_O
> and PDOTYPE_S and the "Dark" (i.e. background)  methods to get some 
> clues.  Some of these also have multi equivalents e.g. RH_INSERT_OBJECTS
> 
> Hope that helps. 
> Regards,
> Jocelyn 
> 
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> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu on behalf of baerbel.
> winkler at carestreamhealth.com
> Sent: Mon 21/04/2008 5:57 PM
> To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> Subject: Manager Self-Service (MSS) and automated Infotype Updates
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Folks, 
> 
> I'm involved with a project to implement Personnel Change Requests -
> basically Manager Self Service (MSS). We run our HR-system on SAP 
> R/3 Enterprise and Netweaver 04. Some portal-functionality is 
> already available for special payments and we would like to follow a
> similar approach for these types of changes:
> - Change in Position ("functional" where the position stays as is or
> "regular" where the employee moves to another position) 
> - Change in Job-ID/Pay/Grade/Working time 
> - Converting from conditional to regular employment status 
> - Terminating or Leave the company 
> 
> We are currently in the design-phase of the project and are trying 
> to put the various bits and pieces together. One of those pieces 
> obviously involves workflows which should be triggered from the 
> notifications generated by the portal-requests. I've already 
> searched various places (SDN, PCR-cookbooks...) but so far couldn't 
> find any information about how to actually handle the updates to the
> Personnel- and PD-Org-tables. Most of the documentation seems to 
> imply that a person eg. an HR-admin will do these updates directly 
> in the system with information provided in the work-item. Our goal 
> is to have these updates done automatically in the background, 
> triggered from workflows. 
> 
> Looking at how involved a "simple" change like "leave the company" 
> actually is when done via transaction PA40, I have some doubts, 
> whether this can be triggered from Workfow and the updates then done
> automatically without putting the data-integrity at risk. I did find
> information about function modules HR_INFOTYPE_OPERATION and 
> HR_MAINTAIN_MASTERDATA but these seem to be for updates to one 
> Infotype at any one time only - so we'd still have to make sure to 
> call them multiple times in the proper sequence if more than one IT 
> needs updating. 
> 
> Another aspect is, that most - if not all - of the employee-related 
> changes will also include PD-Org-changes, if only to delimit 
> corresponding org-assignements.I haven't yet been able to find any 
> BAPIs and/or Function modules for these types of changes. 
> 
> Could you please give me some pointers of where else I can search 
> for information and/or examples? Is what we have in mind feasible at
> all? Has it been done before? 
> 
> Thanks much and Cheers 
> Baerbel Winkler 
> 
> 
________________________________________________________________________________
> Baerbel Winkler - Carestream Health IT
> IT Steward Technical - Application
> Telefon: +49 (0) 711 406 2664 / KNET: 631-2664 / Fax: +49(0) 711 406 
5155
> Email: baerbel.winkler at carestreamhealth.com
> Carestream Health Deutschland GmbH <http://www.carestreamhealth.com/
> > / Hedelfinger Stra?e 60, 70327 Stuttgart
> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Wolfgang Menrad / Sitz der Gesellschaft: Stuttgart 
> / Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 722186 
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