Can't use roles as agents in expressions?

[Mike Pokraka]

Hi Ed,
Yes I really did mean dynamic as in determined at runtime. Client doesn't
believe in rules or org structures, so they use Z-tables and tons of
Z-roles with direct user assignments. Not fun.

Net result, I need to lookup a ROLE name at runtime and send item to all
users having that role. Yes one cen look up the corresponding user (which
I now did), but the WF builder is misleading: It allows you to select
"Role" from the dropdown and it works if you type one in. So it's natural
to assume that selecting "Expression" and entering a container element
with a value AG<rulename> should also work. It doesn't.

Hoewever I'm grateful for your having cleared up the mystery connection to
'Activity groups',so by all means stick to your line of work :-)

Thanks,
Mike


On Thu, March 1, 2007 3:51 pm, Edward Diehl wrote:
> Mike,
> Im gonna go out on a limb here, but, as far as I know, there is no such
> thing as a dynamic role, as current defined.  A role is a group of entries
> in table AGR_USERS, grouped by the role id.  These used to be called
> activity groups before SAP decided to "clarify" things by changing them to
> roles.  In a way they have always been roles because this is the same
> table used by SAP security.  Along with the change to "Roles" instead of
> Activity Groups, workflow roles became "Rules".   I guess if a method
> dynamically populated your role prior to the instantiation of the work
> item, it might work, but it has to exist as a predefined list prior to
> instantiation of the work item.
> As before, just don't assign any agents to the runtime agent assignment,
> or if the syntax checker objects, create a container element EMPTY_AGENT,
> type wfsyst-agent and make that the runtime agent. (EXPRESSION =
> EMPTY_AGENT).
>
> Please, somebody let me know if I am wrong.  If so, I will begin looking
> for another line of work.
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:43:28 +0000> Subject: RE: Can't use roles as
>> agents in expressions?> From: asap at workflowconnections.com> To:
>> sap-wug at mit.edu> > Thanks Ed & Ramki.> It has to be a dynamic role so
>> task assignments are not applicable. Client> uses roles instead of
>> rules.> > Workarounds are not an issue, I'm just wondering whether this
>> shouldn't> work as standard. Ramki has indicated that this indeed
>> doesn't work on> other 620 systems so at least I know it's not just our
>> system.> > Cheers,> Mike> > On Thu, March 1, 2007 1:36 pm, Edward Diehl
>> wrote:> > Mike,> > The way you do that is to use the role to define the
>> possible agents and> > then don't assign any agent at all in the task at
>> run time. It will then> > go to all of the possible agents; i.e. your
>> role.> >> > Hope that helps,> > Ed> >> >> > To: sap-wug at mit.eduSubject:
>> Re: Can't use roles as agents in> > expressions?Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007
>> 07:38:03 -0500From: workflow99 at aol.com> > Mike,> >> > I tried the same a
>> couple of years ago on a 6.20 system as well and my> > experience was
>> the same. The agent type in WFSYST-AGENT can only be the> > standard HR
>> org objects like Job, Position, Org Unit etc. Definitely Role> > and
>> Rule do not work that way.> >> > Best Regards,Ramki Maley.> >
>> -----Original Message-----From: asap at workflowconnections.comTo:> >
>> sap-wug at mit.eduSent: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 5:43 AMSubject: Can't use roles as>
>> > agents in expressions?> >> >> > G'Day,> > I just noticed that one
>> cannot use a role in an agent expression. Can> > anyone confirm whether
>> this is supposed to be so or if it's a bug? The> > docs are quiet on the
>> matter.> >> > e.g. in the WF builder I can assign agent type role and
>> assign ZMYROLE.> > Recipients are all users with role ZMYROLE, great.>
>> >> > If I create a container element Agent type WFSYST-AGENT and assign>
>> > AGZMYROLE, the WI ends up with nobody on our 6.20 system.> >> > Of
>> course one can work around this by an extra step/attribute, but just> >
>> wondering whether why I should have to.> > Cheers,> > Mike> >> >> >
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