SAP-WUG - to SDN or not to SDN, that is the question

[Mike Pokraka]

Wow, quite a hot topic...

Well, WUG is just way ahead of SDN in workflow expertise, in no small part
thanks to Sue's relentless efforts in keeping up the quality of postings.
e.g. my recent question about classes (admittedly a bit hardcore) got a
small discussion going on the WUG but *not a single response* on SDN.

The pointhunting kindergarden effect is a problem on SDN, because people
get more points for pasting an answer than for directing someone to the
FAQ.

I would suggest that rather than passing comments on via Sue or Jocelyn,
why not make yourself heard directly in the Suggestions and Comments
forums - it's what they're there for and they are among the most sensible
ones on SDN!
https://forums.sdn.sap.com/forum.jspa?forumID=40&start=0
(I just wanted to test the link but ironically it's currently down...)

To give you an idea of how painfully aware this topic is at SDN, here are
some threads where this has been discussed:
https://forums.sdn.sap.com/thread.jspa?threadID=398130&tstart=0
https://forums.sdn.sap.com/thread.jspa?threadID=385535&tstart=50
It gets even worse over in the ABAP forums
https://forums.sdn.sap.com/thread.jspa?threadID=292732&tstart=0

Bottom line: SDN is important to keep Workflow in the spotlight at SAP,
and  SDN BPM has gone through a phase of usefulness and achieved a good
level of traffic, however as of late it is has degenerated to more noise
than anything else. And I wish to stress that genuine beginner questions
are NOT noise.

So I say: please please please lets keep the WUG until SDN sorts itself
out, by all means participate on SDN, give it a go and then make your
comments in the Suggestions and Comments forums if you don't like it! But
please please please (have I said this before?) lets keep the WUG at least
until it's tenth birthday when we can have a big party (TechEd anyone?)
:-)

Cheers,
Mike


On Wed, June 27, 2007 8:19 pm, Susan R. Keohan wrote:
> Sherie, Mike, All,
>
> I hear you loud and clear.  If others feel the same way, please reply
> and say WHY.  I don't mind keeping this list going as long as I can; as
> a matter of fact, I enjoy it quite a bit.  But this list has no
> 'official' status with SAP, and it is just by grace of good luck that we
> have some excellent SAP folks (you know who you are) on it.
>
> If you feel that this list should continue, again, please state why...
> why you like it, why other sources don't meet your needs, etc.
>
> That, along with your $20 contribution, will keep SAP-WUG up and running.
>
>
> Kidding (about the $20) for those of you who don't know me,
> Sue
>
> Munday,Sherie J. wrote:
>> Sue,
>> Please say it isn't true..."we may soon be moving to SDN altogether"..
>> Sherie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
>> Of Susan R. Keohan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:07 AM
>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>> Subject: Posting Documents to SAP-WUG (was Workflow best practice
>> document)
>>
>> Jocelyn,
>>
>> I hear you.
>>
>> Since we may soon be moving to SDN altogether (more on that at some
>> later date) let's post documentation and so forth in SDN.
>>
>> Links to ASUG event documents can also be posted, but are only
>> accessible to ASUG members.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sue
>>
>> Dart, Jocelyn wrote:
>>> Sue - and for all others who send documents direct to distribution
>>> lists,
>>>
>>> In future *** PLEASE *** be a little more considerate of others on
>> this list, particularly many of us who get our email over dial-up lines.
>> Large files should be posted to a web-accessible archive of some sort -
>> Sue Keohan and her cohorts I'm sure would oblige or you could post it on
>> SDN.  You then simply need to email the link to everyone.  This way you
>> would still get the document to interested parties without effectively
>> "spamming" the rest of us with a 5 MB file.
>>>
>>> People will then get the message and be able to download the document
>> when they are in a suitable high-bandwith environment to do so.
>>>
>>> It has taken me almost 3 hours to download my inbox because of your
>> attachment - time I can ill afford.  I would very much appreciate it if
>> you would be a little more considerate in future, and sure there are
>> many others in similar situations who would also appreciate the
>> courtesy.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jocelyn
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu on behalf of Sue Doughty
>>> Sent: Tue 26/06/2007 7:17 PM
>>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>>> Subject: RE: Workflow best practice document
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this is the presentation that you're talking about -- Workflow
>> a Journey in Discovery.  I've also attached their worksheets.
>>>
>>> I thought this was a great presentation at ASUG and they have GOOD
>> documentation.
>>>
>>> Sue Doughty
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
>>> Behalf Of aadesh srivastava
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:41 AM
>>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>>> Subject: Re: Workflow best practice document
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Please send me the document as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aadesh
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/26/07, Ernest Liczki <eliczki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 	Hello Workflowers,
>>>
>>> 	I am back in the group after a longer time and I can see from
>> the archives there were e-mails about Workflow best practices referring
>> to some presentation material. I would appreciate if somebody could find
>> a time and the document and send it to my e-mail.
>>>
>>> 	Thank you for your help.
>>>
>>> 	Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Ernest
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Susan R. Keohan
>> SAP Workflow Developer
>> MIT Lincoln Laboratory
>> 244 Wood Street
>> LI-200
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>> Phone: 781-981-3561
>> Fax:   781-981-1607
>> keohan at ll.mit.edu
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>
> --
> Susan R. Keohan
> SAP Workflow Developer
> MIT Lincoln Laboratory
> 244 Wood Street
> LI-200
> Lexington, MA. 02420
> Phone: 781-981-3561
> Fax:   781-981-1607
> keohan at ll.mit.edu
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