SAP-WUG - to SDN or not to SDN, that is the question
Dart, Jocelyn
jocelyn.dart at sap.com
Wed Jun 27 21:30:16 EDT 2007
Ok folks,
Paul - if you "Watch this topic" or "Watch this forum" SDN is also delivered to your door and it's easy enough to direct it to an Outlook folder for review when I have time just as I've always done with WUG.
Appreciate the issues with SDN but as one who has been on this forum since very early days I would like to remind everyone that we too have had many many many irritating beginner questions and vague "send me everything you've got on workflow" queries. For any forum the way to stop this traffic is via the diligence of the moderator and the forum community in educating fellow respondents on the quality expected. Sue has always been a fantastic moderator of course.
I know SDN is comparatively recent, but perhaps Sue you could discuss some of these issues with the SDN Business Process Management forum moderator. I'm sure there will at some point be a time when it is not practical for you to continue with the WUG forum... even if that's not today as yet.
Points - or the lack thereof - despite their foibles are a way to reward appropriate and also to punish inappropriate forum behaviour.
I also agree that the rules of engagement and frequently asked questions do not seem to be enough to stop the nonsensical stuff. Perhaps someone would like to send some suggestions for better approaches - e.g. perhaps we could have a beginner/intermediate/expert rating on the forum member or forum topic so we could at least avoid the trivial gunk when searching? Or even a "points junkie" yellow/red card that could be awarded to disuade bad points behaviour.
What do you think folks? I'm happy to pass on any suggestions to SDN or to go through Sue (assuming Sue has more direct contacts with the SDN moderators) - it's in all our interests that SDN also be a useful forum if only because it extends so much wider than just workflow.
Regards,
Jocelyn
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From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu on behalf of Paul.Bakker at osr.treasury.qld.gov.au
Sent: Thu 28/06/2007 7:14 AM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: RE: SAP-WUG - to SDN or not to SDN, that is the question
Say it ain't so!
Good things about WUG
- delivered to your door; you can find out new stuff without looking for it
- knowledgeable and helpful folk (the best in the world!)
- fast, easy, convenient
- incredibly valuable resource in emergencies
Bad things about SDN
- you have to make a conscious effort to search for a topic
- full of 'points monkeys' who post F1 help text and then beg for points
- slow website, slow search engine, incomplete results, unanswered
questions.
SAP are great at ERP software, but for some inexplicable reason their
websites are an embarrassment.
cheers
Paul
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I would hope that any forum, either SDN or this one, would be OK for
"beginners". I have posted questions with this group as well as the SDN
forum. Either avenue works for me. With SDN, more users are going away
from the ASUG discussion forums. I found SDN helpful as long as the person
giving
advice did not talk down or respond with links to other discussions. While
there may be many threads for the same topic, I found it easier to just
post my question instead of trying to search through hundreds of postings.
Just my two cents.
Monique Stephens
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From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Sharma, Sharad
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:20 PM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: RE: SAP-WUG - to SDN or not to SDN, that is the question
I agree too. It is difficult to find anything useful on SDN.
Most people there sound like beginners with tons of threads for the same
topic.
Also, this way we get to see new things which may not be needed right away.
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From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Dave Weston
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:01 PM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: RE: SAP-WUG - to SDN or not to SDN, that is the question
Agree with all comments. The WUG is more direct and a true specific
workflow forum. With no points "incentive" for useless answers like on SDN.
-----Original Message-----
From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu on behalf of Susan R. Keohan
Sent: Wed 6/27/2007 3:19 PM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: SAP-WUG - to SDN or not to SDN, that is the question
Sherie, Mike, All,
I hear you loud and clear. If others feel the same way, please reply and
say WHY. I don't mind keeping this list going as long as I can; as a
matter of fact, I enjoy it quite a bit. But this list has no 'official'
status with SAP, and it is just by grace of good luck that we have some
excellent
SAP folks (you know who you are) on it.
If you feel that this list should continue, again, please state why...
why you like it, why other sources don't meet your needs, etc.
That, along with your $20 contribution, will keep SAP-WUG up and running.
Kidding (about the $20) for those of you who don't know me, Sue
Munday,Sherie J. wrote:
> Sue,
> Please say it isn't true..."we may soon be moving to SDN altogether"..
> Sherie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> Behalf Of Susan R. Keohan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:07 AM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: Posting Documents to SAP-WUG (was Workflow best practice
> document)
>
> Jocelyn,
>
> I hear you.
>
> Since we may soon be moving to SDN altogether (more on that at some
> later date) let's post documentation and so forth in SDN.
>
> Links to ASUG event documents can also be posted, but are only
> accessible to ASUG members.
>
> Regards,
> Sue
>
> Dart, Jocelyn wrote:
>> Sue - and for all others who send documents direct to distribution
>> lists,
>>
>> In future *** PLEASE *** be a little more considerate of others on
> this list, particularly many of us who get our email over dial-up
lines.
> Large files should be posted to a web-accessible archive of some sort
> - Sue Keohan and her cohorts I'm sure would oblige or you could post
> it on SDN. You then simply need to email the link to everyone. This
> way you would still get the document to interested parties without
> effectively "spamming" the rest of us with a 5 MB file.
>>
>> People will then get the message and be able to download the document
> when they are in a suitable high-bandwith environment to do so.
>>
>> It has taken me almost 3 hours to download my inbox because of your
> attachment - time I can ill afford. I would very much appreciate it
> if you would be a little more considerate in future, and sure there
> are many others in similar situations who would also appreciate the
> courtesy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jocelyn
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu on behalf of Sue Doughty
>> Sent: Tue 26/06/2007 7:17 PM
>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>> Subject: RE: Workflow best practice document
>>
>>
>> I think this is the presentation that you're talking about --
>> Workflow
> a Journey in Discovery. I've also attached their worksheets.
>>
>> I thought this was a great presentation at ASUG and they have GOOD
> documentation.
>>
>> Sue Doughty
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
>> Behalf Of aadesh srivastava
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:41 AM
>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
>> Subject: Re: Workflow best practice document
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Please send me the document as well.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aadesh
>>
>>
>> On 6/26/07, Ernest Liczki <eliczki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Workflowers,
>>
>> I am back in the group after a longer time and I can see from
> the archives there were e-mails about Workflow best practices
> referring to some presentation material. I would appreciate if
> somebody could find a time and the document and send it to my e-mail.
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Ernest
>>
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