CATS WORKFLOW

[Nash John]

Hi Claude and Kjetil Kilhavn and all other friends....HAPPY NEW YEAR. May
god bless all of you.

Calude : Like tried according to your suggession but not luck.
Kjetil Kilhavn : My client won't allow any sort of customization. So forget
about the program to change IT1.

I'm going to post this issue to SAP. I'll keep you posted guys. Thanks a
lot.

-Nash

On 12/28/06, Kjetil Kilhavn <KJETILK at statoil.com> wrote:
>
>  We don't use the solution, but the help text you have forwarded may be
> interpreted as the approver being selected automatically if the user's PON
> user parameter is set. Try that, and then you probably need to generate your
> own program (workflow for change in infotype 1?) to set the parameter. It
> may seem obvious that the manager of the organization unit to which you
> belong should be the approver, but there can be circumstances that dictate
> otherwise. For example, if I was hired (not employed, just "contracted"
> internally) by our office in Algeria to do some work for the next six
> months, it would be more natural that the manager of the organisation unit
> which hired me was the approver.
>
> By creating a program that sets PON based on your assignment to
> organization unit, or alternative assignments (we have a subtype Z08 for
> situations as the one just described) you could automate the process. And
> the "best" part is that if the program screws up or they have some weird
> exceptions the user parameter can be maintained directly and won't be
> changed by the program again until infotype 1 changes (or whatever you use
> to trigger it).
>  --
> Kjetil Kilhavn, Statoil OFT GBS BAS DEV SAP
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Nash John
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:27 PM
> *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> *Subject:* Re: CATS WORKFLOW
>
>
>
> Thanks Jason and Claude.I've checked and  Default rule for the task is 157
> .I'm in ECC 6.
>
> Now I don't know how to proceed :(
>
> Once again thank you so much for your helps.
>
>
>
> -Nash
>
>
> On 12/28/06, Claude Bourque <cbourque at bank-banque-canada.ca> wrote:
> >
> >  Nash,
> >
> > Can't say more than Jason.
> >
> > I've been using CATS and TS20000460 for years to do quick demos at
> > customer sites of what workflow can do and I've never received that error. I
> > usually get the Cannot determine workflow recipient message when I forget to
> > make the task a General Task.
> >
> > Your data entry profile seems right so I'm stumped.
> >
> > Which version are you on?
> >
> > Claude
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Jason Sundeen
> > *Sent: *December 28, 2006 7:00 AM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* RE: CATS WORKFLOW
> >
> >  Nash,
> >
> >
> >
> > I set up this same scenario you are working on a couple years ago…make
> > sure that the Standard Role 157 is in the Default Roles tab of task
> > TS20000460.  That should solve your error.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Nash John [mailto: emailtonash at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:24 PM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* Re: CATS WORKFLOW
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Claude,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm back again. Thanks for your previous suggestions those were helpful.
> >
> >
> >
> > rule 157 is bringing up supervisor correctly also we have an org unit
> > maintained.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now I'm using the task TS20000460, under 'workflow' tab in 'Setup for
> > data entry profile', I've selected 'With SAPBusiness workflow'.When the user
> > saves timesheet , a pop appears asking them to enter approver id. It works.
> >
> > But my client do not want the pop that comes asking to enter recipient
> > once the time sheet is saved. In stead they want workflow to determine the
> > agent *automatically. *For that I've selected the check box 'With
> > Auto.Determination of Recipient' but when i try to save time sheet this
> > time I'm getting following error message
> >
> >
> > *An error occurred on starting the workflow*
> >
> > Message no. LR365
> > *Diagnosis*
> >
> > For technical reasons, the system cannot start the SAP Business
> > Workflow.
> >
> >
> >
> > When I put a F1 on 'With Auto.Determination of Recipient' I get
> > following help
> >
> >
> >  *Automatic Recipient Determination*
> >
> > Determines that the system selects the recipient of the approval
> > workflow automatically.
> >
> > For the system to determine recipients automatically, *you must enter an
> > automatic role resolution for the relevant workflow task. *
> >
> > My question is where should i maintain this automatic role resolution.
> > Are they taking about rule 157? if so where should i maintain it as we are
> > talking about TS and not WS.
> >
> > Please help :(.
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> > -Nash
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/27/06, *Claude Bourque* < cbourque at bank-banque-canada.ca> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > John,
> >
> >
> >
> > In the config of the data entry profile, In the field where you can
> > enter the task, enter TS20000460. You don't need to select the org unit.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, hopefully, you do have an existing org structure. When using
> > TS20000460 (we use a copy of it), the workflow goes to the employee's
> > manager which is determined by the Chief of an org unit.
> >
> >
> >
> > The best way to find out if this exists is to test it with transaction
> > PFAC. Go to PFAC, enter rule 157 (the default rule for TS20000460), click
> > the display icon, followed by the simulate icon. In the Pers Resp. field,
> > enter P followed by space followed by the personnel number ( e.g. P
> > 07000833) then hit the test icon. You should see the employee's manager's
> > position number. Click the Agent <-> User icon to get the User ID. If it
> > returns nothing, you may not have an org structure.
> >
> >
> >
> > To confirm the existence of an org structure, use transaction PPOSW and
> > search by org unit. Enter your employee's org unit and then search.
> > Double-click the org unit that appears in the hit list in the lower
> > left-hand side to see the overview on the right. The manager's position has
> > a little hat next to it. All the employees in that org unit will have their
> > timesheet go to the holder of that position if you use TS20000460.
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep me posted.
> >
> >
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Nash John
> >
> > *Sent:* December 27, 2006 1:41 PM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* Re: CATS WORKFLOW
> >
> >
> >  Can you have a fresh look into my scenario. It goes like this
> >
> >
> >
> >  Our client want to use Org unit to determine approver.
> >
> >  Say A is the supervisor of B,
> >
> > B the supervisor of C,
> >
> >  C the supervisor of D,
> >
> > D the supervisor of E.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now when E creates time sheet, using org unit workflow should
> > automatically rout time sheet for approval to D. Similarly when D creates it
> > should go to C and so on.
> >
> > What I learned is in the scenario we have to use TS20000460(???).
> >
> > In spro under 'Setup data entry profile' under the tab 'person
> > selection', I selected org.unit and found following help note
> > *Person Selection by Organizational Unit*
> >
> > Determines that the system selects all personnel numbers assigned to a
> > specified organizational unit, when you call the data entry profile.
> > *Dependencies*
> >
> > Personnel numbers are assigned to an organizational unit
> >
> > a) By specifying a position in the Personnel Actions infotype (0000) in
> > HR
> >
> > b) By maintaining the staffing schedule
> >
> > You can use the user parameter PON (object ID PD) to determine which
> > organizational unit the system uses to select the personnel numbers.
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't fully understand above help so can you please tell me how to *
> > tell *workflow touse  a particular org unit?.
> >
> >
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> >
> >  On 12/27/06, *Nash John* < emailtonash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  As always thanks Claude. Thanks a lot.You are a good samaritan.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Nash
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/27/06, *Claude Bourque* < cbourque at bank-banque-canada.ca > wrote:
> >
> >   You should check to see if the employee you are testing has a time
> > administrator entered in the Org Assignment infotype (IT0001).
> >
> >
> >
> > Go to transaction PA20, enter the personnel number, then enter 1 in the
> > infotype field followed by the display icon. In the lower right-hand side of
> > the org assignment infotype, you'll see 3 fields (Pers Admin, Time Admin and
> > Payroll Admin). The workflow will only work if the Time Admin field is
> > populated. The values for the 3 fields come from table T526 where you link
> > the Administrators to their user ids.
> >
> >
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Nash John
> >
> > *Sent:* December 26, 2006 9:08 AM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* Re: CATS WORKFLOW
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > Now when I test my workflow I'm getting following error 'workflow agent
> > cannot be determined'.
> >
> > Following are the setting I did in workflow as well as in SPRO.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. I'm using task 'TS20000459' - TIME ADMIN
> >
> > 2. made TS20000459 as 'general task'.
> >
> > 3. used the varient "WORKFLOW'
> >
> > 4. under 'setup data entry profile' in spro did following:
> >
> >
> >
> >                      i) under 'person selection' tab selected radio
> > button 'Time Administrator'.
> >
> >                      ii)under 'Approval' i selected 'with approval
> > procedure'.
> >
> >                      iii)under 'workflow' i've put the task TS20000459
> > also selected both
> >
> >                        checkbox named  'with business workflow' and
> > 'with Auto determination of agent'.
> >
> >                    Is there any specific config need to be done for
> > 'Automatic determination of agent'? Where is what I missing :(.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Nash
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/11/06, *Claude Bourque* < cbourque at bank-banque-canada.ca> wrote:
> >
> >   John,
> >
> >
> >
> > I just noticed my typo for no 2. TS20000460 is the supervisor not the
> > time admin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Nash John
> >
> > *Sent:* December 11, 2006 1:32 PM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* Re: CATS WORKFLOW
> >
> > Thanks Claude, i appreciate it.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll work on it keeping in mind what ever you mentioned. of course I
> > will get back to you if I run in to any issue(s) :).
> >
> >
> >
> > _nash john
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/11/06, *Claude Bourque* < cbourque at bank-banque-canada.ca > wrote:
> >
> >   John,
> >
> >
> >
> > SAP delivered 3 CATS approval TS's up to 4.7:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. TS20000459: CATS approval by time administrator (time entry user as
> > per Infotype 0001 on the employee file)
> >
> > 2. TS20000460: CATS approval by time administrator as per rule
> > AC00000157
> >
> > 3. TS40007901: Pop-up when user is saving timesheet. User selects one of
> > the possible agents.
> >
> >
> >
> > Although I haven't played much with ECC 6.0, I do know that there are 3
> > new TS's.
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. TS31000006: A new version of TS20000459
> >
> > 5. TS31000007: A new version of TS20000460
> >
> > 6. TS31000004: A new version of TS40007901
> >
> >
> >
> > Your config is still IMG: Cross-Application Components -> Time Sheet ->
> > Specific Settings for CATS classic -> Set Up Data Entry Profiles  (for R/3
> > use) or use Specific Settings for CATS regular (for ESS using CATW).
> >
> >
> >
> > In the Data Entry Profile, select the With Approval Procedure option,
> > check the box With SAPBusiness Workflow and in the task box called Task
> > enter one of the 6 TS's listed above (or a copy of one of them as we did).
> > It's this task that SAP_WAPI_START_WORKFLOW uses.
> >
> >
> >
> > Starting in 4.7, you have the make the standard task a general task
> > because even the data entry person has to be a possible agent otherwise you
> > get an error upon saving.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Nash John
> > *Sent:* December 11, 2006 11:00 AM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* Re: CATS WORKFLOW
> >
> >   Thanks Claude. Like you said since the workflow is triggered by FM,
> > can you tell what config need to be done(IMG). Can you please send me any
> > documentation if you have since you have already worked on similar scenario.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Again thanks a lot Claude.
> >
> >
> >
> > -nash john
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/11/06, *Claude Bourque* < cbourque at bank-banque-canada.ca > wrote:
> >
> >   Not sure about ECC 6.0 but in good old Enterprise (4.7), the problem
> > is that in the CATS Data Entry profile config (table TCATS), you have to
> > insert the TS directly in a field. Thus, no WS, therefore, no easy way to do
> > deadlines and other neat things offered by the WS.
> >
> >
> >
> > We tried using a bogus TS that simply calls a WS but that seems to
> > create other problems.
> >
> >
> >
> > Debugging the CATS ABAP code reveals that SAP uses
> > SAP_WAPI_START_WORKFLOW to start the workflow using the TS inserted in the
> > TCATS table.
> >
> >
> >
> > A CATS.CREATED event is also triggered in the code so you can't use that
> > event since the TS is already started.
> >
> >
> >
> > I can say that you can use your own rule to determine agents because we
> > did and it works fine.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hopefully, I haven't put a damper on your initiative.
> >
> >
> >
> > Claude
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Nash John
> > *Sent:* December 11, 2006 10:19 AM
> > *To:* SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > *Subject:* CATS WORKFLOW
> >
> > Hi friends,
> >
> > I've to do CATS approval workflow on ECC 6.0 and my functional asked me
> > to look into WS40001001. One thing I noticed is that of the two tasks in the
> > workflow one of the tasks TS20000495 is absolute; I mean it is not available
> > in the system. Also at present we don't have org structure so I'm planning
> > to write custom rule to determining agent from custom table. Does this
> > approach helps?. This is quite urgent requirement hence client want it be
> > done as soon as possible �not waiting for org structure to set up as it
> > will take another 5 months for that.
> >
> > Can you tell me what is the business object to be used also is there any
> > IMG config to be done?. If 'Yes' what are those. Points wll be awarded to
> > all useful answers. Thanks a lot friends
> > -Nash
> >
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