[Olympus] Weekly Meeting Minutes for December 16

Brian S. Henderson bhender1 at MIT.EDU
Mon Dec 16 14:25:46 EST 2013


Hello all,

Please find the minutes for today's OLYMPUS meeting below.  They are =

also available on the OLYMPUS wiki, along with the minutes from the last =

two meetings =

(https://olympus-docu.hiskp.uni-bonn.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=3Dcompiled_min=
utes_of_the_weekly_meetings). =

Please let me know if you have any suggested changes or additions to the =

minutes.

Thanks,
Brian

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December 16, 2013

  *
    D. Hasell opened the meeting by announcing that the OLYMPUS detector
    paper has been accepted for publication by NIM A.
      o
        One remaining issue: NIM editors say that Figure 2 will not
        reproduce well in black and white, and they ask us to either pay
        for color reproduction or to redo the figure. D. Hasell will
        investigate the cost of printing the figure in color.
  *
    Prepared Talk: Status of BPM Calibration, U.Schneekloth
    <https://olympus-docu.hiskp.uni-bonn.de/dokuwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?medi=
a=3Dmeetings:bpm_calibration_december16.pdf>
      o
        U. Schneekloth reported on the progress of the survey and
        calibration of the beam position monitors (BPMs), which is
        ongoing in the DORIS hall.
      o
        His report included:
          +
            A description of the test stand
          +
            A discussion of the challenges to doing the calibrations
            with the old (Neumann) readout electronics (pulse size too
            small, problem with reflected signals, readout removed, etc.)
          +
            Some plots showing the preliminary results of a few
            measurements, which included a plot indicating that BPM 2
            was not being sufficiently well-measured with the current
            test stand
          +
            A plan for improving the test stand to make the measurements
            for BPM 2 work. These changes to the test stand will require
            the machining of some new parts, and so they will not be
            ready until some time in January.
          +
            A look at BPM data from the DORIS archives from during the
            data runs
              #
                Comparisons of the Neumann and LIBERA readout systems,
                and whether the Neumann readout can be calibrated
                relative to a survey of the LIBERA readout
              #
                Examination of the dependence of the BPM measurement on
                beam current (which was found to be negligible)
              #
                Dependence of the measurement on beam species (found to
                be negligible for the LIBERA monitors, but substantial
                for the Neumann readout).
      o
        Questions/Comments:
          +
            Question from M. Kohl: Is the LIBERA output already calibrated.
              #
                Response from U. Schneekloth: While the results from the
                LIBERA system look reasonable, we do not yet have the
                absolute offsets for the BPM data so in that sense the
                measurement is not calibrated.
          +
            Question from M. Kohl: For what portions of the data runs is
            the LIBERA data available?
              #
                Response from J. Bernauer: The LIBERA data is in the
                OLYMPUS database for the entire fall run, but only in
                the ROOT files for approximately the last half of the
                fall. It should be possible to incorporate the LIBERA
                data for the whole fall run, but for the February run
                the data is only available in the DORIS archive which
                may be difficult to properly synchronize. Hopefully, it
                is possible to correlate the Neumann system with the
                LIBERA system and use this for the February run and
                other times when the LIBERA data is not available.
          +
            Comment from U. Schneekloth: Based on his studies, the
            LIBERA/Neumman relative offsets seem to be stable, and so a
            relative calibration is probably possible.
          +
            Comment from J. Bernauer: Raised a previously seen issue
            that the measured beam position shifts during refills, and
            stated that we don't know if this is a real effect from a
            change in the beam orbit during refills or simply a response
            from the electronics to the conditions during injection.
            Since this could have an affect on SYMB measurements during
            injection, we should investigate this further to determine
            if it is necessary to veto SYMB counts from during refills.
          +
            Comment from U. Schneekloth: The Neumann system signals
            certainly depend on the pulse shape/magnitude (which could
            vary during refills relative to stable beam circulation).
          +
            Question from J. Bernauer: Is it possible to reinstall the
            Neumann electronics for a calibration measurement?
              #
                Response from U. Schneekloth: Yes, but they likely won't
                work in the test stand (pulse too small, problems with
                reflected signals).
          +
            Question from M. Kohl: Is the Neumann system data in the
            ROOT files?
              #
                Response from J. Bernauer: Yes, for all runs.
          +
            Comment from J. Bernauer: It would be good to study the
            dependence of the LIBERA system output on the pulse size.
          +
            Comment from D. Veretennikov: Suggested using a test beam to
            calibrate the BPMs.
              #
                Response from several people: This would likely be very
                technically challenging, and it would be difficult to
                secure test beam time anyway.
          +
            Comment from J. Bernauer: Please keep in mind that in the
            OLYMPUS databased BPM refers to the Neumann system, which
            BPM 1 upstream. The LIBERA monitors are called LIBERA in the
            database, but LIBERA 1 is downstream.
          +
            Question from R. P=E9rez-Benito: Will there be a cooker plugin
            for the beam position information?
              #
                Response from J. Bernauer: Yes, once the calibration
                data is available, there will be a plugin that produces
                the beam position and slope at the center of the target.
  *
    Further general questions and comments:
      o
        It was suggested by U. Schneekloth and J. Bernauer that the SYMB
        group look into ep rates in the SYMBs, and that MC studies be
        done to look into the sensitivity of the SYMBs to the beam
        position. R. P=E9rez-Benito says these items are on the to-do list.
      o
        D. Hasell noted that only MIT students and L. Ice have signed up
        to write the minutes for the weekly meetings, and suggested that
        other groups from the collaboration should contribute to the
        minutes since they are meant as a tool for the entire collaboration.
      o
        D. Hasell wished everyone a happy holiday season, noted that the
        next weekly meeting will not be until January 6, 2014, and
        attempted to call the meeting to a close.
      o
        M. Kohl brought up concerns regarding the "mini-review"
        requested by the PRC in mid-January.
          +
            D. Hasell responded that he felt it was best to simply
            report our status at that time without making any special
            effort to make a detailed presentation on an specific
            topics. He also felt that any such review would be more
            useful if it was pushed to a later date.
          +
            M. Kohl concurred that moving the review to a later date
            would be better.
          +
            S. Belostotski noted that it would be difficult for the PNPI
            group to contribute results to a mid-January review due to
            the holidays, and also supported an effort to move the date
            back.
          +
            J. Bernauer noted that the frequency of PRC reviews is
            taking away work time from the analysis and suggested that
            we communicate this to the PRC.
          +
            D. Hasell noted that the next full PRC meeting is on April
            24-25.
      o
        S. Belostotski asked if tracking will be done by April.
          +
            Response from J. Bernauer: The full process for all runs
            will likely not be complete, but there will certainly be a
            large set of tracked data (as there is already) with further
            improvements in the tracking relative to the current tracked
            files.
      o
        D. Veretennikov asked if it is predominantly wire chamber
        calibration that is delaying the tracking.
          +
            Response from J. Bernauer: The main issue is with the wire
            chamber time-to-distance calibration, which is being
            actively worked-on and is likely to be improved
            significantly in the near future. Also, there are problems
            with the tracking at certain angles, but data from the ToFs
            is being used to help resolve these issues.
      o
        S. Belostotski commented that we should aim to have the
        luminosity resolved by April.
          +
            J. Bernauer noted on this topic that there are significant
            issues with both luminosity monitoring systems that need to
            be addressed before a statement on the luminosity can be made.
          +
            D. Hasell noted that data from negative field runs may be
            useful to illuminate solutions to problems in the luminosity
            monitors, since only the wire chambers are adversely
            affected in the negative field setting.
              #
                R. P=E9rez-Benito commented that there are no negative
                field runs in the current analysis focus set, but others
                noted that it would be easy enough to look at files from
                other periods since many aspects of the luminosity
                analysis (especially for the SYMBs) don't require wire
                chamber track data.
      o
        D. Veretennikov commented that he is still having problems with
        the tracked proton files and sees very few correlated
        proton+lepton in lumi arm events when he combines files.
          +
            Response from J. Bernauer: The missing events in the WC
            tracked files are only at the end of the run and thus should
            not affect the event-by-event synchronization. He suggested
            using the Event Display to identify events where the proton
            track is missed, and to send those event numbers to him so
            that he can investigate why the tracker misses them.
      o
        N. Akopov asked if more runs will be tracked with the same
        algorithm used to produce the current tracked files.
          +
            J. Bernauer replied that further improvements (mostly
            regarding the time-to-distance) will be made before tracking
            more files. If people need more statistics than what is
            available already, they should let him know.
      o
        N. Akopov commented that when he looks at the tracked files, he
        notices that there are few events with a single track in each
        sector.
          +
            J. Bernauer says this is due to the fact that the tracker
            typically passes multiple track for a single event,
            generally trying multiple particle types for a given hit
            combination and so there are indeed few events with a single
            track on each side.
          +
            D. Veretennikov asked if the tracker will continue to
            produce multiple tracks per event in the future.
              #
                J. Bernauer replied yes, since this is the best way to
                approach things. Other detectors can be incorporated to
                help with particle ID and to select the correct
                candidate track.
  *
    There were no further comments/questions, and so D. Hasell called
    the meeting to a close.

Minutes compiled by: --- /Brian S. Henderson <mailto:bhender1 at mit.edu> =

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