[Macpartners] Re: Macpartners Digest, Vol 4, Issue 4
Ethan Signer
signer at MIT.EDU
Sat Sep 6 14:31:40 EDT 2003
Al,
Neither repair permissions nor reinstalling OS X took away the
problem, even networkiz-ing the printer won't work because the
printer is too old to have a USB port.
So, thanks to all, but it looks like I'll be biting the bullet.
Ethan
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> 1. Re: Macpartners Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 (Ethan Signer)
> 2. RE: Re: Macpartners Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 (smyser)
> 3. Re: OS X & appletalk (Albert Willis)
> 4. training Mac technicians (Amy Weiner)
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>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:16:58 -0400
>From: Ethan Signer <signer at MIT.EDU>
>To: macpartners at MIT.EDU
>Subject: [Macpartners] Re: Macpartners Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3
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>never got a case number, yesterday I chatted with someone at the Desk
>about the problem and Apple's suggested solution, he concurred with
>Apple but didn't give me a number
>
>I also heard about LPR printing and spoke with someone about that and
>got case number 424043 - in my setup, an AirPort base station (with
>which the 3 laptops are communicating) and a non-network-able printer
>(HP Laserjet 5M) are both connected to a D-link switch (which then
>goes to a DSL line) - AppleTalk can let any of the computers talk to
>the printer but since the workaround is a big nuisance, would it be
>possible to set up printing via LPR (and if so, how)?
>
>thanks
>
>
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>> 1. Re: OS X & appletalk (Nate Herzog)
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>>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:20:46 -0400
>>From: Nate Herzog <z0g at MIT.EDU>
>>To: Ethan Signer <signer at MIT.EDU>
>>Cc: macpartners at MIT.EDU
>>Subject: Re: [Macpartners] OS X & appletalk
>>Message-ID: <80BB5BCE-DF04-11D7-AC07-000393C7E904 at mit.edu>
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>>Ethan:
>>
>>Do you remember what case number referenced this problem? I've been
>>looking over all your cases filed regarding OS X problems, and I can't
>>find one that refers to the symptoms you mentioned. Was it filed under
>>a different email address, perhaps?
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>Nate Herzog
>>Computing Help Desk
>>On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Ethan Signer wrote:
>>
>>> A major problem for which both AppleCare and the Computing Help Desk
>>> were (after 6 weeks) unable to find a solution:
>>>
>>> 1. A G4 PowerBook, bought in March 2001 with OS 9.1 and then
>>> successively upgraded to OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.2.6, is unable (i.e.
>>> refuses) to open AppleTalk in OS X. AppleTalk will not open in Classic
>>> either, though it will open if the machine is booted in OS 9.2.2. As a
>>> workaround, I can open AppleTalk in OS 10.2.6 by typing a command in
> >> Terminal (sudo appletalk -u en1) and, if Classic is running at the
>>> time, restarting Classic (i.e. if Classic is running the Terminal
>>> command isn't enough); I also have to redo this workaround if the
>>> computer goes to sleep and then wakes up again, and I also have to
>>> redo the workaround occasionally for no apparent reason.
>>>
>>> 2. A (graphite) iBook, also bought in March 2001 with OS 9.1 and then
>>> successively upgraded to OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.2.6, has no problem
>>> whatever opening AppleTalk.
>>>
>>> 3. An (opaque) iBook, bought this Spring with OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.1 and
>>> then upgraded to OS 10.2.6, has the same AppleTalk problem as the G4
>>> PowerBook (#1 above).
>>>
>>> Apple says the system must be corrupted and I should wipe everything
>>> completely and reinstall, which I am understandably reluctant to do.
>>> But I find it surprising that 2 out of 3 computers should have
>>> developed this corruption, and that two computers set up the same
>>> (except for the PowerBook being G4 and the iBook being G3) should
>>> behave so differently.
>>>
>>> I need AppleTalk to communicate with the LaserJet that all 3 computers
>>> depend on (through AirPort) - any suggestions for correcting this
>>> problem besides a complete reinstall?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Ethan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Professor of Biology Emeritus, MIT
>>> Executive Director, The High Q Foundation
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>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:36:24 -0400
>From: "smyser" <smyser at MIT.EDU>
>To: "'Ethan Signer'" <signer at MIT.EDU>, <macpartners at MIT.EDU>
>Subject: RE: [Macpartners] Re: Macpartners Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3
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>Strikes me that the best thing to do is network-ize the printer. You can
>get an external HP JetDirect interface for $150-250 at Gov.Connection.
>These boxes provide an LPD interface to which Klpr can certainly talk.
>
>- Rob
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>
>never got a case number, yesterday I chatted with someone at the Desk
>about the problem and Apple's suggested solution, he concurred with
>Apple but didn't give me a number
>
>I also heard about LPR printing and spoke with someone about that and
>got case number 424043 - in my setup, an AirPort base station (with
>which the 3 laptops are communicating) and a non-network-able printer
>(HP Laserjet 5M) are both connected to a D-link switch (which then
>goes to a DSL line) - AppleTalk can let any of the computers talk to
>the printer but since the workaround is a big nuisance, would it be
>possible to set up printing via LPR (and if so, how)?
>
>thanks
>
>
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>> 1. Re: OS X & appletalk (Nate Herzog)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:20:46 -0400
>>From: Nate Herzog <z0g at MIT.EDU>
>>To: Ethan Signer <signer at MIT.EDU>
>>Cc: macpartners at MIT.EDU
>>Subject: Re: [Macpartners] OS X & appletalk
>>Message-ID: <80BB5BCE-DF04-11D7-AC07-000393C7E904 at mit.edu>
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>>Ethan:
>>
>>Do you remember what case number referenced this problem? I've been
>>looking over all your cases filed regarding OS X problems, and I can't
>>find one that refers to the symptoms you mentioned. Was it filed under
>>a different email address, perhaps?
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>Nate Herzog
>>Computing Help Desk
>>On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Ethan Signer wrote:
>>
>>> A major problem for which both AppleCare and the Computing Help Desk
>>> were (after 6 weeks) unable to find a solution:
>>>
>>> 1. A G4 PowerBook, bought in March 2001 with OS 9.1 and then
>>> successively upgraded to OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.2.6, is unable (i.e.
>>> refuses) to open AppleTalk in OS X. AppleTalk will not open in
>>> Classic either, though it will open if the machine is booted in OS
>>> 9.2.2. As a workaround, I can open AppleTalk in OS 10.2.6 by typing
>>> a command in Terminal (sudo appletalk -u en1) and, if Classic is
>>> running at the time, restarting Classic (i.e. if Classic is running
>>> the Terminal command isn't enough); I also have to redo this
>>> workaround if the computer goes to sleep and then wakes up again,
>>> and I also have to redo the workaround occasionally for no apparent
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> 2. A (graphite) iBook, also bought in March 2001 with OS 9.1 and
>>> then successively upgraded to OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.2.6, has no problem
>>> whatever opening AppleTalk.
>>>
>>> 3. An (opaque) iBook, bought this Spring with OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.1
>>> and then upgraded to OS 10.2.6, has the same AppleTalk problem as
>>> the G4 PowerBook (#1 above).
>>>
>>> Apple says the system must be corrupted and I should wipe everything
>>> completely and reinstall, which I am understandably reluctant to do.
>>> But I find it surprising that 2 out of 3 computers should have
>>> developed this corruption, and that two computers set up the same
>>> (except for the PowerBook being G4 and the iBook being G3) should
>>> behave so differently.
>>>
>>> I need AppleTalk to communicate with the LaserJet that all 3
>>> computers depend on (through AirPort) - any suggestions for
>>> correcting this problem besides a complete reinstall?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Ethan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ethan R. Signer, PhD
>>> Professor of Biology Emeritus, MIT
>>> Executive Director, The High Q Foundation
>>> 195 Hudson Street Suite 2B
>>> New York, NY 10013-1895
>>> tel 212/219-0347
>>> fax 212/219-9554
>> > signer at mit.edu
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>>> Macpartners at mit.edu
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>Professor of Biology Emeritus, MIT
>Executive Director, The High Q Foundation
>195 Hudson Street Suite 2B
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>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:54:02 -0400
>From: Albert Willis <awillis at MIT.EDU>
>To: macpartners at MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [Macpartners] OS X & appletalk
>Message-ID: <143823E4-DFE3-11D7-BEBC-00039312013E at mit.edu>
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>On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Ethan Signer wrote:
>
>> A major problem for which both AppleCare and the Computing Help Desk
>> were (after 6 weeks) unable to find a solution:
>>
>> 1. A G4 PowerBook, bought in March 2001 with OS 9.1 and then
>> successively upgraded to OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.2.6, is unable (i.e.
>> refuses) to open AppleTalk in OS X. AppleTalk will not open in Classic
>> either, though it will open if the machine is booted in OS 9.2.2. As a
>> workaround, I can open AppleTalk in OS 10.2.6 by typing a command in
>> Terminal (sudo appletalk -u en1) and, if Classic is running at the
>> time, restarting Classic (i.e. if Classic is running the Terminal
>> command isn't enough); I also have to redo this workaround if the
>> computer goes to sleep and then wakes up again, and I also have to
>> redo the workaround occasionally for no apparent reason.
>
>The first thing that I tell people to do when Mac OS X starts to act
>funny is to launch Disk Utility and run repair permissions. You'd be
>amazed at how many problems this solves.
>
>>
>> 2. A (graphite) iBook, also bought in March 2001 with OS 9.1 and then
>> successively upgraded to OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.2.6, has no problem
>> whatever opening AppleTalk.
>>
>> 3. An (opaque) iBook, bought this Spring with OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.1 and
>> then upgraded to OS 10.2.6, has the same AppleTalk problem as the G4
>> PowerBook (#1 above).
>
>I'd run repair permissions (see above).
>
>>
>> Apple says the system must be corrupted and I should wipe everything
>> completely and reinstall, which I am understandably reluctant to do.
>> But I find it surprising that 2 out of 3 computers should have
>> developed this corruption, and that two computers set up the same
>> (except for the PowerBook being G4 and the iBook being G3) should
>> behave so differently.
>>
>> I need AppleTalk to communicate with the LaserJet that all 3 computers
>> depend on (through AirPort) - any suggestions for correcting this
>> problem besides a complete reinstall?
>
>Instead of doing a format and reinstall, you can do an Archive and
>Install--essentially a clean install of Mac OS X. Boot your Mac OS X
>10.2 install CD and choose this option. Be sure to preserve accounts
>and network settings. This disables the current install, archives it,
>and installs a new version of Mac OS X. Once you have that up and
>running, use the Software Update preference panel to get all of the
>security patches and operating system updates.
>
>Let us know how it turns out.
>
>
>> Thanks
>> Ethan
>>
>
> -- Al
>
>
>---
>Albert Willis
>Macintosh Platform Coordinator
>Software Release Team
>MIT Information Systems
>
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>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:27:10 -0400
>From: "Amy Weiner" <weiner at wi.mit.edu>
>To: macpartners at mit.edu
>Subject: [Macpartners] training Mac technicians
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>We have some technicians who are savvy with Windows OS, but who need to
>move beyond user or power-user status on the Mac OS.
>
>I am aware of the classes offered by Apple Computer, but I'm also
>curious about offerings from other training companies (particularly if
>they are within 100 miles of Boston).
>
>I'm hoping some of you may have experience or relevant knowledge about
>the options that you'd be willing to share. If you want to reply to me
>directly, I'll be happy to summarize and post info to the group.
>
>Amy Weiner
>IT Support Analyst
>Whitehead Institute
>weiner @ wi.mit.edu
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