[LCM Articles] What is wrong with you people?? One more thing...
S H
shraybi at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 19 23:42:14 EDT 2006
Jimmy Kassis,
Would you please SHUT UP ......... i can't stand this Israeili any more
Sorry for the rest of you....
S H
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jimmy Kassis" <kingkassis at hotmail.com>
To: <leb-students at lists.stanford.edu>, <lebanon-articles at mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [LCM Articles] What is wrong with you people?? One
more thing...
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:28:50 -0400
I respect the wishes of the moderator and I will not further comment on this
thread. But as the originator of this thread I will make these last 3
points.
Unity:
Many people commented on unity as the reason for standing behind Hezbollah
and focusing on Israel and what they have done in reaction to the Hezbollah
provocation.
I will argue that this approach will divide us rather than unite us. We
must start doing with is RIGHT not what is politically correct. What is
right is to feel outraged and betrayed by what Hezbollah have instigated.
Even Arab nations are not denying these facts.
Call for Demonstration:If all we say STOP THE ISRAELI WAR ON LEBANON as the
slogan committee suggested, and we do not parallel this message with calls
for a solution to Hezbollah, namely their disarmament, than we are doing a
our country a huge disservice. How credible and how effective will we be in
the eyes of the world if we turn a blind eye to the elephant in the room??
Negotiations:
I am appalled by the suggestion that we should avoid war even if it means 20
years of negotiation with Hezbollah. Do we want to spend the next 20 years
fearful of a militia group that is accountable to no one and that has track
record of acting irresponsibly? What will we do next time Nassrallah
decides to show his solidarity with our palestinian brothers and go kidnap
and kill a few jews? Will we vote him out of office? What will we the
next time Iran is cornered over some its nuclear issue and stirs up trouble
through Hezbollah? There is NO future in Lebanon, or any country, that has a
state within a state. This a time for us to make a stand against
Hezballah, let's not f*** it up like we did with the presidency.
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:36:17 -0400> From: ssolomon at mit.edu> To:
wassimh at hotmail.com> CC: leb-students at lists.stanford.edu;
lebanon-articles at mit.edu; alwaysbekind at msn.com> Subject: Re: [LCM Articles]
What is wrong with you people?? One more thing...> > I am actually not using
exact statisctics.> > Still, you have to say that (sorry for the ta2ifiyye
here) the huge > majority of> shiite people (35% of the Eligible voters in
the last elections were shiite> -annhar archive-) and a significant part of
the Sunnis (37% of the eligible> voters in the last elections were Sunnis)
and some of the rest of the> population (less Maronites than Roman or other
Christian sects) do belive that> Hizballah is our only defense against an
enemy that we can never trust.> > This is why I said that 30-->50 % of the
people would prefer that > hizballah keep> its weapons. (note that shiites
have an age pyramid that is wider than > all other> sects at the bottom. So,
in terms of population (not voters) they are probably> more than any other
sect in Lebanon).> > > Quoting Wassim Heneine <wassimh at hotmail.com>:> > > I
agree on most what you said except your statistics in the 2 paragraphs. I> >
might be wrong. Please provide supporting document.> >> > -----Original
Message-----> > From: lebanon-articles-bounces at mit.edu> >
[mailto:lebanon-articles-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Sleiman M Itani> >
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:56 PM> > To: rmekary at aol.com> > Cc:
lebanon-articles at mit.edu; leb-students at lists.stanford.edu;> >
alwaysbekind at msn.com> > Subject: Re: [LCM Articles] What is wrong with you
people?? One more> > thing...> >> > Even if everybody on this list agrees
that Hizballah is bad, more than 30%> > (I> > would say even 50%) of the
Lebanese people want Hizballah to keep its> > weapons> > just to be a thorn
in Israel's side. There is a good number of Lebanese> > people> > who see
Israel as an enemy no matter what.> >> > Just remember that Hizballah has
the biggest support in Lebanon (as one> > party,> > not a coalition), and
even if we don't agree with those people, we have to> > respect their
rights. We can't just claim that they don't exist and keep> > them> >
unrepresented.> >> > now for what I think ( I think one of the articles
posted here said the same> > thing): hizballah's move this time might have
been taken as the reason for> > the> > Israeli attacks. I think that some
time ago Israel had the green light (or> > an> > invitation) from America,
the Arabs and some people in Lebanon. Note that> > hizballah's weapons
haven't been a problem for Israel for some time now,> > they> > are just a
problem for some people in Lebanon.> >> > I think that it is not only
Hizballah's (Syria and Iran) fault, it is also> > the> > fault of the
Americans, the Arabs (Saudi arabia, Egypt, Jordan), and> > the people> > in
the Lebanese government who knew that many Lebanese people will die> > but
still> > wanted revenge against Hizballah.> >> > Plus, without killing a
million Lebanese people, Hizballah can't be removed.> > This is true weather
Israel or the Lebanese army are trying to do it. If you> > don't know that,
then you don't know much about Lebanon. The only way> > to remove> >
hizballah is to erode its popularity first (maybe create a shiite party> >
that is> > anti syrian but still anti Israeli,) and I think that this is the
objective> > of> > the Israeli offensive.> >> > Anyways, these are just my
thoughts.> >> > The point is that we want to eat grapes and not to kill the
keeper. We need> > to> > have a united front and do this from a humanitarian
aspect because there is> > no> > united view on the political aspect. United
we stand, departed we fall.> >> > Also, we have to believe in peace,
democracy, and in the intellect of the> > Lebanese people. Even if it takes
20 years of negotiations to disarm> > Hizballah,> > that is the right way to
do it. We have to learn to show the world unity and> > solve our problems
between us, democratically. This is one of the main> > reasons> > for the
success of the Israeli governments. Israel has a lot of internal> > problems
(including armed groups that the government can't practically> > control),
but they don't solve them by destroying themselves.> >> > I just hope that
this doesn't last too long. We don't need another 16 years> > of> > war.> >>
> Salamat> >> >> > Quoting rmekary at aol.com:> >> >> Great. Thanks Walid.>
>> This being said, how can we take actions and spread the word and ask> >>
both of Hizballah and Israel to stop?> >> We shoud mainly ask Hizbalah to go
fight Israel in Iran and Syria and> >> to leave Lebanon alone.> >> If we all
agree on that, we should state this clearly all over the world.> >> We
should literally ask Hizballh to stop fighting Israel on our> >> Lebanese
land for an Iranian/ Syrian/ Palestinian cause.> >>> >> Do you all agree?>
>> If yes, let's do something about it ASAP.> >>> >> Sincerely,> >> Rania.>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: r_walid at hotmail.com> >> To:
rmekary at aol.com; abitdodgy at hotmail.com; kingkassis at hotmail.com;> >>
leb-students at lists.stanford.edu; lebanon-articles at mit.edu> >> Sent: Wed, 19
Jul 2006 10:54 AM> >> Subject: Re: [LCM Articles] What is wrong with you
people?? One more> > thing...> >>> >> Finally we are waking up and
realizing the truth. We are realizing> >> that Hizbullah's ultimate goal was
completed long ago, we should now> >> thank them and it is now time for them
to let lebanon take all> >> military and other decisions for itself. I am
sorry for all the pain> >> the Palestinians are suffering, but i don't see
why we also need to> >> pay the price by having a militia that tickles the
wasp's nest every> >> once in a while. We, the civilians, always end up
being stung the> >> most by these actions.> >>> >> From: rmekary at aol.com>
>> To: abitdodgy at hotmail.com, kingkassis at hotmail.com,> >>
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>>> >> Dear all,> >>> >> I read all the comments.> >> At least we all
agree we want Israel to stop its unhumanitarian attacks.> >> I am afraid it
is too late now after all the destruction.> >> But let's learn one lesson
though: we should also ask for hizballah to> > stop> >> fighting Israel...
The more they fight Israel, the more Lebanon is> > destroyed.> >> So why
don't we all ask for BOTH parties to stop????> >> Why don't we ask Israel to
go fight Iran and Syrian on THEIR land and> >> not ours?> >> Hizballah can
get out and fight on an Iranian land... do we really> >> want Hizballah?> >>
They are bringing nothing but destruction and war from Israel to Lebanon.>
>>> >> We, Lebanese, Christinas and Muslims, shoud all ask for Hizballah
to> >> stop their action as well....> >>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> >> Rania Mekary, Ph.D.> >> Harvard
School of Public Health> >> Nutrition Department> >> 655 Huntington Avenue,
Building 2> >> Boston, Ma 02115> >> Voice mail: 617-432-6343> >> Fax:
617-432-2435> >> http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/researchers/rmekary.html> >>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From:
abitdodgy at hotmail.com> >> To: kingkassis at hotmail.com;
leb-students at lists.stanford.edu;> >> lebanon-articles at mit.edu> >> Sent: Wed,
19 Jul 2006 1:01 AM> >> Subject: Re: [LCM Articles] What is wrong with you
people?? One more> > thing...> >>> >> Before this list gets moderated,
allow me to say the following:> >> Jimmy, what a bloody pratt you are! You
want me to call an apple an> >> apple? Well, I just did. You want to
"applaud" Israel for killing> >> countless Lebanese civilians, destroying
the economy and> >> infrastructure of our country under the pretence of self
defense,> >> then knock your self out, but know this: No one is condoning
the> >> actions of Hezbollah; we?re condemning the heavy handed actions of>
>> Israel and its collective punishment of Lebanon and its people, which>
>> constitutes of a violation of the Geneva Convention and International>
>> Law. Come on, let me hear you clap. The government of Israel said it> >>
was Syria and Iran pulling the strings, then let them go bomb Syria> >> and
Iran. I apologize to all recipients of this list for being out> >> of
character, but my 85 year old mother had to evacuate right after> >> she had
an operation, and our dear Jimmy thinks we should applaud> >> that. My
apologies for using derogatory language, but I wish there> >> was a polite
way to call an idiot an idiot. Not only are you> >> senseless, dear Jimmy,
but you lack perspective and the analytical> >> capacity to understand that
the biggest loser in this conflict is> >> Lebanon and not Hezbollah. The
idiocy of morally decrepit people who> >> see nothing wrong with the
destruction of Lebanon and the death of> >> its civilians as long as they
are under the illusion that Hezbollah> >> are being destroyed is mind
boggling. Open your eyes and witness who> >> the real losers are. Good
night! We're not expressing support> >> for Hezbollah, we are expressing
solidarity and support for the> >> Lebanese living through a genocide you
have no shame in appluadng.> >> From: "Jimmy Kassis"
<kingkassis at hotmail.com>> >> To: <leb-students at lists.stanford.edu>,
<lebanon-articles at mit.edu>> >> Subject: Re: [LCM Articles] What is wrong
with you people?? One more> > thing...> >> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:35:20
-0400> >>> >> Instead of replying with emotionally charged responses, full
of> >> personal attacks, I would appreciate if you actually come up with> >>
alternative ideas of disarming Hisballah, i.e. curing the deadly> >> cancer,
rather than giving it a Tylenol by saying STOP THE WAR!! I> >> want to know
what is next?? spend the next 20 years negotiating with> >> them while they
build up their capabilities again?> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> From:
kingkassis at hotmail.com> >> To: philippesaad at gmail.com> >> Date: Tue, 18 Jul
2006 23:22:38 -0400> >> CC: leb-students at lists.stanford.edu;
lebanon-articles at mit.edu> >> Subject: Re: [LCM Articles] What is wrong with
you people??> >>> >> Rania, I don?t think I am stating the obvious. After
reading all> >> the comments sent out, the ?obvious? is that no one seems to
have the> >> balls to speak out against Hezbollah for fear of being labeled>
>> unpatriotic. For a condemnation of Hezbollah is perceived as support> >>
for Israel which in itself is unpatriotic Farrah I don?t condone> >>
Israel destroying all of Lebanon. 95% of the bombing has been> >> targeted
to Hezbollah strongholds. Hezbollah chooses to operate from> >> within
civilian areas. That in itself is outrageous; the people> >> supporting
Hezbollah should not allow them to launch attacks form> >> hospital
rooftops. We should all rise up and speak out against that.> >> Again I
don?t condone the destruction of my own country, but I> >> understand the
other 5% of the bombing that Israel is doing to send a> >> message to the
Lebanese government. Elias Israel may not defeat> >> them completely but
they will sure weaken them to the point where> >> just maybe the Lebanese
army can dare to venture to the south and do> >> what is supposed to do and
patrol the border. Israeli exacting> >> revenge on the Lebanese?? Why? For
what? You and I both know that> >> Israel only want security on its
northern border. They have proven> >> that when they COMPLETELY withdrew in
2000. Maurice I won?t> >> disappear. Deal with it. I don?t agree with
taking the country back> >> 20 years. But I want a solution a permanent one.
I am sick and tired> >> of holding Hezbollah?s hand begging them to disarm.
At the rate we> >> are moving with Hezbollah and Syria they would have taken
us back 20> >> years anyways. Philippe Before you go questioning my
Lebanese> >> identity, my patriotism, and calling me a coward let me tell
you> >> something about myself. My house was burned to the ground by the> >>
Druze in 1981; my house was then leveled to the ground by the Israeli> >>
invasion in 1982 in the mountains. My house again destroyed in Beirut> >>
and my mother badly injured from Syrian shelling in 1989. And some> >> more
destruction was piled on my house and family from the Lebanese> >> Forces
with their war with GMA. Despite all that, I love Lebanon, I> >> love the
people, and I believe in a united Lebanon with Christians> >> and Muslims
living together as one people. I truly believe in that> >> vision. I don?t
believe us as Lebanese have united enough to disarm> >> Hezbollah. Hezbollah
being the undisputed puppets of Syria and Iran,> >> I hold them responsible
for the death of some of the finest people> >> that Lebanon ever produced
from Hariri and Tueini to the rest you> >> know the list I won?t repeat
here. After what round of talks were you> >> expecting Hezbollah to disarm?
Hezbollah wanted every Arab and> >> Iranian issue resolved before they did
anything. Is that what you> >> want? I am tired as stated of listening to
their lame ass excuses of> >> why they need to be armed. Yes the death of
250 civilians is> >> horrible, but if the end result is a country free of
militias in> >> peace with ALL its neighbors working to build a bright
future for its> >> children, then their death is well worth it.> >>> >>
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