Unit tests of internal functions

Mike Patnode mike.patnode at centrify.com
Wed Dec 30 12:01:42 EST 2009

Ditto.   It's a necessary evil.  Maintaining a Kerberos specific version
may reduce the pain.


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From: krbdev-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:krbdev-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
Of Marcus Watts
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:55 AM
To: krbdev at mit.edu
Subject: Re: Unit tests of internal functions 

Jeff Hutzelman <jhutz at cmu.edu> writes:
> Libtool sucks.
> However, as someone who builds and deploys a lot of software, my
> is that _every_ package that builds shared libraries uses libtool.
> Why?  Because it turns out that some of the most annoying problems can
> made to go away with a relatively minor patch to libtool, at the
expense of 
> making it not work at all on a couple of platforms I happen not to
> about.  We locally maintain patched libtool, and simply relibtoolize
> package as it comes in.  We also maintain local patches that help us
> the soname of every shared library to depend on the versions of its 
> dependencies.  So, for example, a (Heimdal) libkrb5.so built against 
> OpenSSL 0.9.8 will have a different soname from the same version of 
> libkrb5.so built against OpenSSL 0.9.7.  This turns out to be really 
> important when you have complex applications with multiple direct and 
> indirect dependencies on the same library.
> Anyway, the point is, if a package uses libtool, I can get all the
> behavior I need by relibtoolizing.  If it doesn't, I get to figure out
> its super-special shared-library build system works.
> So, libtool sucks, but please, use it anyway.
> -- Jeff

I build a lot of software as well.
Please don't use libtool.
Or if you must, please fix it so it doesn't suck first.

I quite agree that libtool sucks.  It "knows" too much about what it's
doing, there isn't any easy way to override what it's doing, and it's
nearly impossible to figure out what it's doing.  The core script is
lines of nearly indecipherable shell code.  Clearly Jeff knows what's
in there.  If I'm "just" building vanilla packages, I would prefer not
to need to know.

Out of a "random" selection of about 250+ packages,
at least 20+ of them use libtool.  (maybe 25% overall).  I
currently have a bunch of these that build with this error.
	rm: invalid argument: `'
This appears frequently in google - this is clearly a well-known
warning most everyone ignores.  But here's somebody's fix:
so why is this fix not upstream already?

libtool from another package says:
libtool: install: error: cannot install `libbeecrypt_java.la' to a
directory not ending in
 /usr/lib at LIBALT@
Ok, so it's bitrot, and I didn't really need that part anyways.

With another package, I wound up hacking its copy of libtool to
put the proper "-Wl,-rpath," into it.  I actually don't want to
have to patch it to override its behavior, but it was easier
to fix the binary after configure made it than to figure out
what to feed into configure or elsewhere to get the right results.

I'm currently staring at yet another project.  It wants to use
"-fstack-protector".  The make subsystem passes it into libtool.  The .o
files get made with it, but not the shared library, which consequently
fails to link.  Note: unlike Jeff, I am not trying for special behavior.
This is "off the shelf" behavior, of the latest version of a common
package, using the latest version of many of its various dependencies.
This should not be an 'exotic' build, but apparently, it is.

Did I mention how I hate that libtool slows things down?  I know
are fast and all, but honestly, I don't think we need to slow them back
down to the speed of a vax.  Processing 8 lines of shell script per line
of C source should just not be necessary.

I'll resist the temptation to talk about .libs, install-time relinking,
or that special joy of trying to run gdb on what turns out to be a shell

The point here is that libtool has to understand the behavior of all the
options that get fed into gcc, ld, and (it seems) a fair amount about
local filesystem, in order to do what it does.  It can't get it
right, not for all the stuff it's trying to do, not for all the packages
that use it.  It's neither easy nor simple to make it do the right
even for the obvious common cases, like "rm: invalid argument".

					-Marcus Watts
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